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My list of power levels from the namek saga to battle of gods

#1Slamscape2Posted 4/12/2013 12:03:18 AM(edited)
Okay.
So before anyone freaks out after taking one look at the title I am just going to say this list is showing estimates of power levels based on my own observations, and how they seem to fix with the results of battles. They are round estimates, some are underplaying and some will be a little over, but the end result should be a good ballpark. It has also been established in the series you do not need an insane power count on an opponent to give them a crushing defeat.

I know it is likely nobody will agree with it, But if you feel the need to comment with disagreements please first read the text wall of the reasons why the levels were given at what you see.
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SSJ Goku (namek) = = = = = = = 150,000,000
SSJ Goku (return to earth) = = = = 225,000,000
SSJ Goku (3 years training) = = = 337,500,000

Andriod 18 = = = = = = = = = = 421,875,000
Andriod 17 = = = = = = = = = = 506,250,000
Piccillo (+ kami) = = = = = = = = 506,250,000

Cell (first form) = = = = = = = = 759,375,000
Cell (second form) = = = = = = 1,265,625,000
USSJ Vegeta = = = = = = = = 1,350,000,000
Perfect Cell = = = = = = = = = 1,687,500,000

fpSSJ Goku = = = = = = = = = 1,476,562,500
SSJ Gohan = = = = = = = = = 1,500,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan = = = = = = = = = 3,000,000,000

SSJ2 Goku & Vegeta= = = = 4,000,000,000
Base Goku & Vegeta= = = = = = 40,000,000
SSJ3 Goku = = = = = = = = 16,000,000,000

{fusion = (fighter1 + fighter2) x 1000}
Base Trunks = = = = = = = = 135,000
Base Goten = = = = = = = = 135,000 (little weaker than this)
SSJ Gotenks = = = = = = = 13,500,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks = = = = = = 108,000,000,000
Super Buu = = = = = = = = 115,000,000,000
BuuTenks = = = = = = = = 223,000,000,000
Mystic Gohan = = = = = = 223,000,000,000
Buu Gohan = = = = = = = 338,000,000,000
SSJ Vegitto = = = = = = 4,500,000,000,000

--Battle of Gods--
Base Goku = = = = = = = = 50,000,000 (at most)
SSJ Goku = = = = = = = 2,500,000,000 (at most)
SSJ2 Goku = = = = = = 5,000,000,000 (at most)
SSJ3 Goku = = = = = =20,000,000,000 (at most)
Bills = = = = = = = = 500,000,000,000
SSJ God Goku = = = 500,000,000,000 (at most)
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#2Slamscape2(Topic Creator)Posted 4/11/2013 11:09:19 PM
I am going to start with namek SSJ Goku, and it is widely believed that his power level is at 150,000,000 going off of math from the known power level of frieza's second form.

Now after namek gokus physical body was very beat up and worn down, and took some time from him to recover slowly. And saiyans become stronger after recovering from serious injuries as we know. Although the power upgrade from this has varied widely. So from my observations it would seem the result of this would be based on just how injured the saiyan is, and how quickly he recovers from it. Which explains why a senzu bean can beef up vegetas power so much more than the healing tank. So given gokus long recover time I placed his max power apon returning to earth at 1.5x his power max on namek.
This puts it at 225,000,000

Then the 3 years of training on earth i gave that another 1.5x to his power.
Putting him at 337,500,000 when the andriods appear. Even though he was under stress from the virus and unable to use it all, leading to his defeat by andriod 19.

Now vegetas SSJ form makes an appearance, which is stated to be a little stronger than goku. Now he was defeated by andriod 18, but not by sheer force rather than just getting worn down. this being the reason why I placed her level to be at around 1.25x goku's level after the 3 years of training for the andriods. and 17s level to be at 1.5x the same number.

Andriod 18 --- 421,875,000
Andriod 17 --- 506,250,000

Then cells first form comes into the battle at full power and at the same time demolishes both andriod 17 and piccillo (who seemed evenly matched). So i gave his first form a 1.5x count on 17's power putting him at 759,375,000.

Then cells nabs andriod 17 and adds his power to become the second form putting cell at 1,265,625,000. then he grabs 18 and adds her power putting his max level in his perfect form at 1,687,500,000.

vegeta came along then with a new ssj form that had good power, but physical limits. He was able to walk all over cells second form, but was played with by cells perfect form by a combination of his need speed and a little bit of the power boost he got from 18 without having to power up in order to fight.
For this reason I placed vegeta power in this form at 1,350,000,000.

Then Goku comes out of the chamber with an higher level than vegeta used without actually having to transform. At the same time cell was forced to power up to match him, but not to his full power that he aquired from andriod 18. So for this reason i estimate Gokus power as an addition of cells second form and half of andriod 18s power. Which comes out to be a power of 1,476,562,500. And then for Gohan whos ssj form is said to be a little bit stronger I rounded the number up to 1,500,000,000.

Now i added the basic ssj2 multiplier which puts ssj2 gohan at 3,000,000,000
(his ssj2 form having this much on cell maks sense from how he trashed cell at full power, was able to counter cells kamehameha, and then was able to match cells final kamehameha wave on a zenkai power upgrade with a butsed arm).
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#3Slamscape2(Topic Creator)Posted 4/12/2013 12:05:56 AM(edited)
Now flash forward to gokus and vegeta ssj2 battle and we will find that they are stated to be stronger than gohan was against cell without having yet going to their max power. and given that they has 7 years of intense training I placed both their ssj2 forms at 4,000,000,000. Which also places their base forms at 40,000,000 each.Now with this base power I again used the standard ssj multiplier and put SSJ3 Goku at 16,000,000,000

Now it gets a little messy trying to calculate the level of SSJ vegitto. Do do so we first have to go through all the levels of buu and the fusions of gotenks.

First with fat buu. Who at first was getting whooped by ssj3 but started to keep up with goku because of gokus power draining. For this I estimated his power at around 15,000,000,000 range even though it is started to continue to grow.

As for the power levels of the kids... At one point trunks was shown to be able to resist a gravity of 150x in normal mode. And thankfully the gravity training seems to have a linear result on power levels. As king kai's 10x gravity planet put goku at around 9,000 (8,000 manga). and his 100x gravity training gave his base power at 90,000 without his kkx2 upgrade. I used this to ROUGHLY ESTIMATE kid trunks power to be at 135,000 with goten not far away.
With their base powers I now took a look at what gotenks power range needs to be at. Which is a level that needs to compete with fat buu. And for this to happen the fusion would need to be an addition of power from both kids, and multiply that result by 1,000.

Using that we take the ssj multiplier on the kids base powers and get an end result of ssj gotenks being at 13,500,000,000 and and ssj3 power level of 108,000,000,000

the fusion ssj3 form was able to match buus new form, who was later against gohan shown to be holding some power back, so I placed his power max at 115,000,000,000

then with the absorbtion of gotenks buus level was able to match gohans and outlast him with his ability to not get tired or loose energy. So I placed mystic gohans max at the power level of 223,000,000,000.
Then after the battle was said and done with goku back and the gotenks fusion gone buu took gohans power and increased his level to 338,000,000,000

I didnt even bother using the filler battle of base vegitto, as that would have thrown the entire thing into the garbage to have that form stand even with buu, and the same goes for the ssj2 goku battle against kid buu. but if you take the same fusion formula and apply it to goku and vegeta and add a rival power bonus from the earrings you get an estimated power level for SSJ vegitto to be at 4,500,000,000,000

on a side note... as easy way of beating kid buu would have to simply have supreme kai teleport gohan to the planet after he was wished back. or even to just teleport dende to goku to heal him up as vegeta bought them some time. but moving on.

as for Battle of Gods. giving the number of years it took place after buu i gave gokus base power a generous boost to 50,000,000 at the very most. Which turns out to satisfy Bills statement that base goku is weaker than frieza. And now if we take the statement that Bills is stronger than ssj vegitto and place his power at a bit over 5,000,000,000,000. that would mean in order for an SSJ God form goku to match that power the form itself would have to have a multiplier of 100,000x base power to start.

Although in the movie goku was unable to overpower Bills, he was able to make him run out of energy after the battle, and it was established that the limits to the SSJ God form have not yet been reached by goku.
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#4RPGMaster95Posted 4/11/2013 11:33:39 PM
Your list starts off funky with Goku hitting over 300mil before the androids...

And then it falls apart when you have FPSSJ Goku only 10% stronger than the USSJ Vegeta that fought Cell.

Remember Goku blew Vegeta away at 50%, Perfect Cell powered up several times, etc.

You have Semi cell and vegeta pre 2nd rosat WAY too close to pc and the fpssjs. Also your list is very random and selective leaving out half the androids, buus forms, trunks, etc. At best your list is a 3/10 imo with all due respect.
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#5Slamscape2(Topic Creator)Posted 4/11/2013 11:47:21 PM(edited)
Your list starts off funky with Goku hitting over 300mil before the androids...

Zenkia upgrade and training for a few years

And then it falls apart when you have FPSSJ Goku only 10% stronger than the USSJ Vegeta that fought Cell.
Remember Goku blew Vegeta away at 50%, Perfect Cell powered up several times, etc.

vegeta was not even in SSJ form at the time making his resistance to that power extremely low. not to mention was completely off guard to the power before it reached him.

You have Semi cell and vegeta pre 2nd rosat WAY too close to pc and the fpssjs. Also your list is very random and selective leaving out half the androids, buus forms, trunks, etc. At best your list is a 3/10 imo with all due respect.
As I mentioned at the start. It has been established in the series that it does not take THAT much more power than the other fighter to control the battle. And the true point of the list was to establish the multiplier for the SSJ God form. I skipped over the forms that dont really aide in getting to that.

If you start getting into huge gaps between powers around the point where vegeta uses Ussj then at the same time you also start getting into absurd power multipliers to gokus and gohans power from just one year of training.
But it seems as though you believe that goku can become around 10x stronger in a year in the chamber, but not even a 50% increase over 3 years of training in the outter world.
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#6XSpidercideXPosted 4/12/2013 12:00:14 AM
Not a bad list, but I don't think Perfect Cell is radical enough over Imperfect Cell, that was the major transformation to watch out for. I have Imperfect Cell at a billion and Perfect Cell at 4 Billion.

I have SSJ Vegeta at 1.6 billion and SSJ Goku at 3.75 billion... Goku was a little stronger than Gohan so SSJ Gohan was 3.5 billion, then 7 billion at SSJ2. Then I have SSJ Goku at 12 billion in the Buu saga, 7 years of training gave him a 3.2x increase.

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#7You__Know__WhoPosted 4/12/2013 12:01:38 AM
What the hell is with you guys and these numbers?
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#8XSpidercideXPosted 4/12/2013 12:02:16 AM
Slamscape2 posted...
Your list starts off funky with Goku hitting over 300mil before the androids...

Zenkia upgrade and training for a few years

And then it falls apart when you have FPSSJ Goku only 10% stronger than the USSJ Vegeta that fought Cell.
Remember Goku blew Vegeta away at 50%, Perfect Cell powered up several times, etc.

vegeta was not even in SSJ form at the time making his resistance to that power extremely low. not to mention was completely off guard to the power before it reached him.

You have Semi cell and vegeta pre 2nd rosat WAY too close to pc and the fpssjs. Also your list is very random and selective leaving out half the androids, buus forms, trunks, etc. At best your list is a 3/10 imo with all due respect.
As I mentioned at the start. It has been established in the series that it does not take THAT much more power than the other fighter to control the battle. And the true point of the list was to establish the multiplier for the SSJ God form. I skipped over the forms that dont really aide in getting to that.

If you start getting into huge gaps between powers around the point where vegeta uses Ussj then at the same time you also start getting into absurd power multipliers to gokus and gohans power from just one year of training.
But it seems as though you believe that goku can become around 10x stronger in a year in the chamber, but not even a 50% increase over 3 years of training in the outter world.


Goku got a 33x increase from 1 battle in the Frieza saga. Nothing is impossible. The extreme conditions in RoSaT accelerated Goku and Gohan's progress, and their natural talent to get stronger made them increase at a much faster rate than Vegeta and Trunks.
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#9snapkey2Posted 4/12/2013 12:04:34 AM
How are Gohan and Buutenks equals? In the manga Gohan got absolutely wrecked. Buutenks should be at least 1.25x-1.5x stronger than Gohan, on top of also knowing all of his moves.
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#10YogosPosted 4/12/2013 12:08:42 AM
fpSSJ Goku = = = = = = = = = 1,476,562,500

The hell?

This is just a random number.
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