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D_Bart posted... futantshadow posted... Do your research Actually we did. You're the one who's not backing anything you say with credible research. "The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health. The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration." * * http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/15/miracle-mineral-solutions-mms-bleach http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FDAActions/mms.html But like I said, if you want to waste your money by paying a sociopath to sell you industrial strength bleach it's your choice. Yes, it is used as industrial strength bleach, and you have to be careful with it (it has stained some of my t-shirts). But read the part of the quote that says "HIGH ORAL DOSES OF THIS BLEACH... CAN CAUSE NAUSEA, VOMITING, DIARRHEA.. ETC" the MMS protical is NOT high doses, it is extremely LOW doses, and it works. If it can clean ANYTHING, it can clean your body. Your body is 70% water, think of it as a small swimming pool. If chlorine is the most effective way to kill germs, then using it in a safe way in your body only makes sense that it can cure diseases such as HIV. THINK ABOUT IT. In the instructions for taking 1 drop then 2 drops and so on, this is so your body gets used to it. The first day I took MMS, I took 12 drops, and I had diarrhea for 3 days, but it was awesome and it flushed out all the crap in my system and I felt great. I'm glad you guys are at least looking this up, maybe one day you'll join us and fight the government to let us use it legally! | |
also, "credible research" is subjective on who you think is credible. I think millions of people using the product with positive results (and NO negative ones) is more powerful then a scientist claiming chlorine dioxide is poisonious (which I agree it is, in high doses). Just like many other things are poisonious in high doses. Anyway, here is an exerpt from http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html he goes on to list how to use it for specific aliments. SODIUM CHLORITE The Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS) By Walter Last Sodium chlorite is presently being promoted as a miracle mineral supplement or MMS with superior antimicrobial activity. You can appreciate its power from a statement by the discoverer of this remedy that all 75,000 individuals with malaria that have been treated were cured within a day, with 98% being cured within 4 hours (1).This obviously has great ramifications not only for self-healing but also for the drug industry and medicine. In the following I want to comment on these issues. Conventional Use of Sodium Chlorite Acidified sodium chlorite is being used in many countries, including Australia and the USA, as an antimicrobial treatment in the food industry, for water purification, and for sterilizing hospital and clinic rooms and equipment. In hospitals it has been used as a disinfectant for a hundred years and in the US meat industry for about 50 years. Health-conscious countries and municipalities are increasingly replacing the health-damaging chlorine for the harmless chlorine dioxide in treating public water supplies (2). In solution sodium chlorite (NaClO2) is very alkaline and stable but when acidified it forms the gas chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which smells the same as chlorine and probably is the strongest all-round antimicrobial and parasite remedy. While it destroys all anaerobic microbes and parasites, it does not damage the beneficial lactobacteria of out intestinal flora. The only residue left in water, food, or in the body after treatment with MMS is a small amount of table salt or sodium chloride (NaCl). In 2003 the Australia New Zealand Food Standards Code was changed to permit the use of sodium chlorite acidified with citric acid or other food acids for antimicrobial surface treatment of meat, poultry, fish, fruit and vegetables (3). The time between mixing and application is less than 5 minutes, and chlorine dioxide levels do not exceed 3 ppm. The safety assessment report concluded that if properly used no residues would be detected in the raw foods following treatment and prior to sale, and therefore there would be no toxicological concerns. In solid form sodium chlorite is unstable and commonly mixed with about 20% sodium chloride. Commercially it is produced and shipped in Australia as a 31% solution in water. For end users in the food and agricultural industries it is available as a 5% solution called Vibrex. In the US and the UK it is also available as tablets that release chlorine dioxide (e.g. releasing 4 ppm per1 liter or per 30 liter of water). In Germany and Italy chlorine dioxide is the main treatment chemical for public water supplies. Curiously, stabilized sodium chlorite that does not generate chlorine dioxide has been patented for intravenous use in the treatment of autoimmune diseases, hepatitis and lymph cancers. It supposedly prevents or reduces antigen activity and autoimmune responses (4). | |
(continued) The Discovery of MMS, the Miracle Mineral Supplement Jim Humble, a chemist and metallurgist accidentally discovered the MMS by using a whole bottle of Stabilized Electrolytes of Oxygen (S.E.O.) to immediately cure a companion of malaria during a jungle expedition. S.E.O. contains about 3 % sodium chlorite. Humble gradually realized that S.E.O. is too weak and that it does not work by releasing oxygen but rather that it must be acidified to release chlorine dioxide as the active ingredient. This is also how it has been used as a hospital disinfectant. The problem was to find a safe dose and procedure that allowed this most effective antimicrobial to be used for people. Humble ended up using a nominally 28% solution which, because of a nearly 20% sodium chloride content, actually contains only 22.4% sodium chlorite. Because of its miraculous effect in supporting the immune system against invading microbes and parasites Humble called his sodium chlorite the Miracle Mineral Supplement. However, I prefer to call it Miracle Mineral Solution, as supplements require the approval of health authorities, while a solution for treating water does not need to be registered. Using this at a maximum dose of up to 3 x 15 drops he writes: ”MMS is producing some of the quickest results that I have seen with people's health, including cancer, diabetes, arthritis, shingles, warts going hard and dropping off, and many more.” Also AIDS patients in debilitated conditions went back to work without any further signs of disease (1). Basically all diseases associated with microbes and immune reactions respond very well, and that includes not only infections and autoimmune diseases but most of our diseases. Chlorine dioxide was used to kill Anthrax during the 2001 Anthrax attack. Even most diseases that are not known to be associated with microbes and the immune system reportedly have improved (1). As an example of the unexpected results of using MMS, Humble relates the following incident: a teenage girl, overweight with depression and failure to develop breasts, was given MMS. The next day her breasts started to grow. After another dose 4 days later she had the first period after 6-months, her breasts were fully developed, her depression lifted, and she started losing weight (1). My interpretation of this is that all her problems were caused by Candida. Because of its strong oxidizing ability, chlorine dioxide seems to inactivate many poisons, may help with toothache, and makes stored heavy metals soluble so that they can more easily be expelled. Another advantage of chlorine dioxide as compared to chlorine is that it does not react with organic matter, such as food, body cells or even our “good” intestinal bacteria, but is specific in destroying pathogenic microbes. However, it does react with vitamin C and possibly other reactive antioxidants. If this treatment option would become widely known and used by the general population that would be devastating for the medical-pharmaceutical complex. The FDA has a long history of jailing and otherwise neutralizing inventors of effective natural remedies and therapies that harm the drug industry, and Humble, as an American, tries to protect himself by remaining in hiding in Africa or Central America. | |
here is your scientific research: http://www.wipo.int/patentscope/search/en/WO1999017787 title (quote): USE OF A CHEMICALLY-STABILIZED CHLORITE SOLUTION FOR INHIBITING AN ANTIGEN-SPECIFIC IMMUNE RESPONSE see link for the rest of the info on this published study | |
here is your scientific research: Patents aren't research. Getting a patent doesn't mean you proved anything. --- By Evolution, I mean Evolution. As in "I look different from my parents because of evolution" ~OrangeWizard | |
BashyMcFetus posted... here is your scientific research: Patents aren't research. Getting a patent doesn't mean you proved anything. true, but you can't patent something that isn't real. what kind of proof do you guys want? here is some compelling research- http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1553981#i and another great artictle- http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprnt+refs.htm exerpt: Sodium chlorite (NaClO2) can be acidified as a convenient method to produce chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which is a strong oxidant and a potent disinfectant. A protocol has been developed whereby a solution of these compounds can be taken orally. This procedure rapidly eliminates malaria and other infectious agents in only one dose. Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is highly reactive with thiols, polyamines, purines, certain amino acids and iron, all of which are necessary for the growth and survival of pathogenic microbes. Properly dosed this new treatment is tolerable orally with only transient side effects. More research to better document efficacy in malaria and in other infections is urgently called for. --- the reason why there isn't more scientific studies on MMS is because it is not patentable, therefor not profitable by the government. It costs millions of dollars to conduct clinical trials, and without profit, there is no reason to. The government is not interested in cheap and easy ways to cure diseases. this guy has a series of blogs with his experience with MMS: http://mmsproof.blogspot.com/2009/03/march-30-2009.html | |
From: futantshadow | #072 So Walter writes this long article about how Jim Humble could take out Big Pharma because MMS can cure cancer and arthritis and diabetes. But then you go to Walter's website and he's selling books about how to cure cancer and arthritis and diabetes... http://www.the-heal-yourself-series.com/index.html ...with no mention of MMS at all. How odd. The links section takes you to Walter's other site, where (on the second page) MMS is buried with other cutting edge medical advancements such as magnet therapy, ear acupuncture and the universal healer, kerosene. http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm I was almost on board with MMS, but now I'm confused. If I get sick, should I start drinking bleach, kerosene or turpentine? --- "Calmo, calmo..." -Patrice O'Neal, RIP big man. Once again broadcasting live from beautiful midtown Manhattan! | |
futantshadow posted... also, "credible research" is subjective on who you think is credible. I think millions of people using the product with positive results (and NO negative ones) is more powerful then a scientist claiming chlorine dioxide is poisonious (which I agree it is, in high doses). Just like many other things are poisonious in high doses. . Actually no, it's not subjective. There are plenty of criteria: 1) Was the study double blinded? 2) Were the objectives of the study made clear before hand? 3) Was the study large enough? ect, ect, ect So yeah, it's fairy objective, and none of the links you posted contain a "study" with anything near those criteria. Further, we do have a good understanding of the effects of Bleach, and there's no data that hints at the results you're claiming, even at low doses. We do, however, have some evidence that shows that even at low doses it can still be dangerous. Oh, and since you want to use testimony, here are some MMS related deaths/ extremely adverse reactions: http://www.dailypost.vu/content/prosecutor-decides-no-charges-can-be-laid-case-death-linked-mms http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2010/2010_74-eng.php the reason why there isn't more scientific studies on MMS is because it is not patentable, therefor not profitable by the government. It costs millions of dollars to conduct clinical trials, and without profit, there is no reason to. The government is not interested in cheap and easy ways to cure diseases. Actually, you're wrong. There have been studies on MMS, or at the very least chemical equivalents, such as Bleach. All the results point to how dangerous it is. Posting echo chamber links doesn't fix this. You also don't seem to have an argument for why countries with free healthcare such as Canada have banned MMS. I also find it hilarious that you're using "Big Pharma is greedy” to defend a sociopath who got stinking rich by selling poison to cancer patients. --- Splash | |
true, but you can't patent something that isn't real. No one's debating that they're making an imaginary product. here is some compelling research- http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1553981#i Here's compelling evidence you didn't read your own link: First of all, I don't think chicken studies are directly comparable to how things work in humans. Second, keep in mind that even though these chickens didn't die during the 5 days of the test, they were slaughtered right after the test for examination. This does not prove that these high doses are safe for chickens, let alone safe for humans and another great artictle- http://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprnt+refs.htm Here's a great part of it that you didn't read: The purpose of this article is to propose research. Nothing in this article is intended as medical advice. No claims, promises nor guarantees are made. the reason why there isn't more scientific studies on MMS is because it is not patentable Didn't you just point out a patent in your last post? therefor not profitable by the government. Government isn't a for profit business. The government is not interested in cheap and easy ways to cure diseases. Yes, the government is. Cheap and easy cures mean they don't have to shell out lots of money for medicare. The biggest issue with healthcare currently is reducing costs. If this **** actually worked, the government would be all over trying to make it mainstream. --- By Evolution, I mean Evolution. As in "I look different from my parents because of evolution" ~OrangeWizard | |
Guys, this guy is literally drinking bleach... --- The Poster temporarily not known as Sillyknees. |
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