So Vulcans, math and that 'V' thing they do...

#1SykoSlamPosted 3/3/2012 1:34:42 AM
Was it ever been explained why the 'V' thing Vulcans do just happens to be the English 'V', 'V' as in Vulcan? And why do Vulcans study Earth's interpretation of math (you see Vulcans doing math in the new movie and even reciting Earth's version of math {pi dived by 6 is blah blah). Are we supposed to believe that the math they are doing is translated for us viewers?
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#2ghostfox1Posted 3/3/2012 10:27:17 AM
It's not supposed to be a V. it's a symbol from their history. I don't remember the explanation that was given.

and they're part of the federation, meaning they have communicators(which function as translators) everywhere. It makes sense.
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#3Ryan LewisPosted 3/3/2012 11:59:21 AM
Math is universal. Star Trek translates almost all languages and peoples in almost every franchise, not just the new movie. But what I mean by Math is universal, is that it's a language within itself, and the laws are laws, so they are the same for every race, it's the symbols that change. The symbols are the same as words, which are translated. In Deep Space 9 there is often mention of the "Universal Translator", which doesn't ALWAYS work (if the species' language's syntax, grammar, structure is completely different than what's on file).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_translator#Star_Trek

The Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual says that the Universal Translator is an "extremely sophisticated computer program" which functions by "analyzing the patterns" of an unknown foreign language, starting from a speech sample of two or more speakers in conversation. The more extensive the conversational sample, the more accurate and reliable is the "translation matrix," enabling instantaneous conversion of verbal utterances or written text between the alien language and American English / Federation Standard.[4]


So basically if the language follows standard structures of languages on file, then the universal translator can pick up and learn the language by it's structure, patterns, etc. That would explain the Vulcans using words/symbols such as Pi. But Pi itself is a known variable that helps us to solve many problems, which would be the same for any other species, Pi is Pi wherever you are.
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#4ConstableToadPosted 3/3/2012 8:34:05 PM

From: SykoSlam | #001
Was it ever been explained why the 'V' thing Vulcans do just happens to be the English 'V', 'V' as in Vulcan?


i can't give you an in-universe explanation, but as for a RL explanation, google "vulcan salute jewish." seriously. it's a little factoid that is common knowledge among many trekkers but still a quirky little piece of info, especially considering that Roddenberry was a big-time secularist.
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#5Ultimate SomniaPosted 3/3/2012 9:11:08 PM
It's the Hebrew letter shin. It's how people greeted each other in Nimoy's synagogue as a kid.
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#6Justin2KrelianPosted 3/5/2012 3:27:58 PM(edited)
I think I read that Nimoy actually ad-libbed it.
#7CNashPosted 3/6/2012 11:56:05 AM
Yes. In his autobiography "I Am Spock", Nimoy explains that, as a child, he was in a synagogue service, and there was a part where everybody had to close their eyes for prayer (or something; I'm not au fait with Jewish services). Being a curious kid, he opened his eyes and saw the rabbi making the V-sign with both hands as he spoke. Later, he recalled the V-sign and adlibbed it on the set of Star Trek while filming.

Quite a lot of Vulcan mannerisms and traditions were actually conceived by Nimoy right there on the set - with the producers' approval. He'd often write notes to Roddenberry, disagreeing with Spock's words or actions in an upcoming script.

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