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Remember That Julian Assange Kerfluffle?

#1KnightgeePosted 7/12/2011 2:35:15 PM
http://studentactivism.net/2011/07/12/assange-lawyer-concedes/


So remember that guy a lot of people here defended with talks about these women being a part of a conspiracy to drag him down, how they probably fabricated the whole thing, etc. and how they probably weren't actually raped? Well, his lawyer certainly doesn't seem to be contending that those events happened, at the very least. He seems instead to be trying to argue the things he did don't count as crimes under English Law. Just to recap, the things he did include:

Emmerson went on to provide accounts of the two encounters in question which granted — at least for the purposes of today’s hearing — the validity of Assange’s accusers’ central claims. He described Assange as penetrating one woman while she slept without a condom, in defiance of her previously expressed wishes, before arguing that because she subsequently “consented to … continuation” of the act of intercourse, the incident as a whole must be taken as consensual.

In the other incident, in which Assange is alleged to have held a woman down against her will during a sexual encounter, Emmerson offered this summary: “[The complainant] was lying on her back and Assange was on top of her … [she] felt that Assange wanted to insert his penis into her vagina directly, which she did not want since he was not wearing a condom … she therefore tried to turn her hips and squeeze her legs together in order to avoid a penetration … [she] tried several times to reach for a condom, which Assange had stopped her from doing by holding her arms and bending her legs open and trying to penetrate her with his penis without using a condom. [She] says that she felt about to cry since she was held down and could not reach a condom and felt this could end badly.”


Also, the Guardian link to the original live coverage with summarized bullet points, in case anyone pops a vein over the first link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/12/julian-assange-extradition-live-coverage

I'm altogether delighted that I got to use kerfluffle in a topic title.
#2Smelly_GaragePosted 7/12/2011 5:26:23 PM
The issue is more that people decided to focus on his character as opposed to what Wikileaks was exposing.
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#3OrcaPosted 7/12/2011 5:37:15 PM
Knightgee posted...
I'm altogether delighted that I got to use kerfluffle in a topic title.

Except it's kerfuffle.

Wikileaks is a godsend, but that doesn't mean all participants are deities. If those things are true (and considering the lawyer is conceding they are, they probably are true), Assange should be punished. But I'm thankful he was able to establish Wikileaks first.
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#4StartrekkyPosted 7/12/2011 5:57:57 PM

From: Orca | Posted: 7/12/2011 8:37:15 PM | #003
Wikileaks is a godsend, but that doesn't mean all participants are deities. If those things are true (and considering the lawyer is conceding they are, they probably are true), Assange should be punished. But I'm thankful he was able to establish Wikileaks first.


Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel about it. If he did commit the crime, and I do believe what he's being accused of is a crime, then he should be punished severely. However, just because he's an awful person doesn't make Wikileaks a bad organization. I think Wikileaks and Anonymous are the best things to happen for transparency.
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#5MeomanPosted 7/12/2011 6:12:12 PM
So it's moved from rape to sex without a condom then? I'm confused.
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#6OrcaPosted 7/12/2011 6:16:03 PM(edited)
Magic Mario posted...
So it's moved from rape to sex without a condom then? I'm confused.

Sex without a condom when the woman (I'm guessing man when it comes to homosexual sex, as well) asks him to wear one/is mislead into believing he is wearing one, is rape under Swedish law (these acts were committed in Sweden).
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#7MeomanPosted 7/12/2011 6:18:12 PM
Orca posted...
Magic Mario posted...
So it's moved from rape to sex without a condom then? I'm confused.

Sex without a condom when the woman (I'm guessing man when it comes to homosexual sex, as well) asks him to wear one/is mislead into believing he is wearing one, is rape under Swedish law (these acts were committed in Sweden).


It's no different than raping someone in the park? Even though it was consensual at first, there's no difference?
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#8OrcaPosted 7/12/2011 6:24:22 PM
Magic Mario posted...
Orca posted...
Magic Mario posted...
So it's moved from rape to sex without a condom then? I'm confused.

Sex without a condom when the woman (I'm guessing man when it comes to homosexual sex, as well) asks him to wear one/is mislead into believing he is wearing one, is rape under Swedish law (these acts were committed in Sweden).

It's no different than raping someone in the park? Even though it was consensual at first, there's no difference?


I don't know if it carries the same punishment as attacking someone in the park and forcing yourself on them (it probably doesn't), but considering the risks it poses to the woman who's been mislead/had it forced on her e.t.c. (STI's, pregnancy, e.t.c.) I have no problem with there being a punishment for this action.
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#9RufusNKenRSTierPosted 7/12/2011 6:29:16 PM
So what do you guys think is going to come of this?
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#10MeomanPosted 7/12/2011 6:40:37 PM
He'll disappear sooner or later, I'm sure. I very much doubt we will actually find out what happens to him.
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