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if fixing the economy is so important, why dont we pass public health care?

#1masterbarfPosted 1/1/2013 11:51:21 PM
aside from it being a moral travesty to deny health care to someone for most any reason, its a blatantly obvious way to boost the economy. i could list push and pull factors that support this, because any move has pros to it and cons; and i will. but most simply it removes the middle man of insurance companies, lowering wasted spending and inflation.

anybody can understand it. insurance companies profit by bringing in more money than they spend providing coverage. and its just fact that private health care has several times the wasted overhead as health care provided thru the government. which leads to more moeney in the hands of the population which is paying for healthcare already any way. *smh

as far as push and pull factors, well: it puts spending money in the hands of ppl who wouldnt otherwise have it. money that get put into the economy in a less wasteflu way than insurance. coorporations would save a ton of money on providing health care for employees. money that could be used to provide better working conditions, wages, more research, or the ceos can just buy a golf course or some crap.

and dont forget that its simply a moral booster for ppl who struggle. worrying about being able to get treatment, or the finances involved with treatment is a huge stress factor on many entire communities. stress that contributes to criminal activity, and lack of social ladder climbing.

also did i mention a country denying ppl health care when they can afford to provide it, is a moral travesty? certainly not the mark of a great nation. and all americans, right, center, and left, want america to be great.
#2SCAMaz0nPosted 1/1/2013 11:56:15 PM
Fus ro DAH
all the sick people have been dealt with. From your friends at the GOP.
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#3CC RicersPosted 1/2/2013 12:03:51 AM
masterbarf posted...
as far as push and pull factors, well: it puts spending money in the hands of ppl who wouldnt otherwise have it. money that get put into the economy in a less wasteflu way than insurance. coorporations would save a ton of money on providing health care for employees. money that could be used to provide better working conditions, wages, more research, or the ceos can just buy a golf course or some crap.


Not to mention, less people calling in sick for work, or recovering from injuries to get back to work sooner, keeping productivity at the workplace higher. Places that don't care much about giving health insurance to their workers typically see their skill sets as commodities.
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#4SCAMaz0nPosted 1/2/2013 12:06:06 AM
It has nothing to do with the well being of employees though, don't you both understand? It's just profit that matters and that is simply the beginning, middle and end of the discussion.
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#5TheBorderColliePosted 1/2/2013 12:30:44 AM
Alan Grayson did a masterful job of summarizing the Republican position on health care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco
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#6CC RicersPosted 1/2/2013 12:40:19 AM
SCAMaz0n posted...
It has nothing to do with the well being of employees though, don't you both understand? It's just profit that matters and that is simply the beginning, middle and end of the discussion.


I can direct you back to my last post:

Not to mention, less people calling in sick for work, or recovering from injuries to get back to work sooner, keeping productivity at the workplace higher.


Healthier people at work generally means, more stuff gets done, companies can produce more doo-dads and profits increase for them! TC even mentioned how it benefits the CEOs from their perspective on increasing their ability to buy more golf courses, or something.
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#7TaiIs82Posted 1/2/2013 9:36:59 AM
Public health care, state rationing, has not worked in any other nation which has it and the only way they get costs down is by denying care. It gets rid of the competitive spirit which has given America the edge on medical innovation. There is no incentive to lower cost. It dooms thousands to a long waiting list, euthanizes patients on top of that, and gets government involved in what should be a private matter. Once they control your health via socialized medicine, they control you.
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#8Nitro378Posted 1/2/2013 12:42:59 PM
TaiIs82 posted...
Public health care, state rationing, has not worked in any other nation which has it and the only way they get costs down is by denying care. It gets rid of the competitive spirit which has given America the edge on medical innovation. There is no incentive to lower cost. It dooms thousands to a long waiting list, euthanizes patients on top of that, and gets government involved in what should be a private matter. Once they control your health via socialized medicine, they control you.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jgW1oWqxpCw/UHS6Br7clJI/AAAAAAAAANQ/RPCn6681h24/s1600/cost_of_health_care_Nat_geo.png

facts > insane rhetoric and lies
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#9Heineken14Posted 1/2/2013 12:59:49 PM
From: TaiIs82 | #007
Public health care, state rationing, has not worked in any other nation which has it and the only way they get costs down is by denying care. It gets rid of the competitive spirit which has given America the edge on medical innovation. There is no incentive to lower cost. It dooms thousands to a long waiting list, euthanizes patients on top of that, and gets government involved in what should be a private matter. Once they control your health via socialized medicine, they control you.


From: TaiIs82 | #005
How long can you keep someone alive who will never leave their hospital bed again?

As long as possible. Wherever a modern society can, a compassionate society will.



So which is it Fails? "F*** all poor people" or "let's help our citizens."
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#10CC RicersPosted 1/2/2013 1:52:32 PM
Heineken14 posted...
From: TaiIs82 | #007
Public health care, state rationing, has not worked in any other nation which has it and the only way they get costs down is by denying care. It gets rid of the competitive spirit which has given America the edge on medical innovation. There is no incentive to lower cost. It dooms thousands to a long waiting list, euthanizes patients on top of that, and gets government involved in what should be a private matter. Once they control your health via socialized medicine, they control you.


From: TaiIs82 | #005
How long can you keep someone alive who will never leave their hospital bed again?

As long as possible. Wherever a modern society can, a compassionate society will.



So which is it Fails? "F*** all poor people" or "let's help our citizens."


Tails82 just a contrarian, trying hard to get the opposing view of everything.

In essence he is not a conservaderp but a flip-flopper
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