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Should the Vice President have kissed the pope's ring?

#1atmasabrPosted 3/23/2013 9:31:51 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/joe-biden-wouldn-t-kiss-pope-francis-ring-what-s-the-mystery-behind-this

Joe Biden wouldn't kiss the pope's ring simply because of something his mother told him years ago. This is the same reason that he didn't kiss the Queen of England's ring when he was introduced to her as a young senator, he was following his mother's wishes.

According to Yahoo News on March 21, 2013, Biden's mother gave him words of wisdom, which was not to kiss the ring, before meeting the Queen and then again before meeting the pope. His father said it was a matter of dignity.

The Vice President was brought up in an Irish-Catholic family, so some might expect for him to follow the tradition of kissing the pope's ring when meeting him, but he didn't. Biden's mother taught him that no one is better than he is and while treating everyone with respect, there's no need to kiss someone's ring.

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I agree that he should not have, although I don't share the same reasoning.

The Vice President of the United States is a public servant of the United States. He swears an oath on the Bible to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Because we are not a Catholic country and our Constitution demands that freedom of religion not be infringed, that oath is compromised if someone displays a filial loyalty to the Pope during an official state visit (according to another source Joe Biden was a senator at the time of the earlier meetings). He has committed to public service.

There is nothing wrong with taking him swearing loyalty to the Pope as a private citizen. That Joe Biden is an observant Catholic who is willing to use his religious pledges in the service of this country is something that was fully disclosed to us during the 2008 and 2012 elections, and we approved. We can choose to reject a Catholic vice president if we wish. We can also send a non-Catholic dignitary to meet the Pope.
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#2JIC XPosted 3/23/2013 9:44:27 AM
Biden has the same right to freely exercise his religious beliefs as any other American.

But, yeah, my first impression is that it'd be better to send a dignitary who wouldn't engage in conduct that could be regarded as obsequious subordination to a foreign monarch.

...That said, I'm not sure what the NORMAL diplomatic protocol is when meeting the pope. Maybe everybody kisses that ring.
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#3wolf_blitzer85Posted 3/23/2013 9:54:47 AM
A Democrat exercises his religious beliefs and the media is OK with that.
Republican does the same thing (need examples?) and the media rips him to shreds.

Yeah, fair and balanced coverage.

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#4De EvolutionPosted 3/23/2013 9:59:06 AM
atmasabr posted...
http://www.examiner.com/article/joe-biden-wouldn-t-kiss-pope-francis-ring-what-s-the-mystery-behind-this

Joe Biden wouldn't kiss the pope's ring simply because of something his mother told him years ago. This is the same reason that he didn't kiss the Queen of England's ring when he was introduced to her as a young senator, he was following his mother's wishes.

According to Yahoo News on March 21, 2013, Biden's mother gave him words of wisdom, which was not to kiss the ring, before meeting the Queen and then again before meeting the pope. His father said it was a matter of dignity.

The Vice President was brought up in an Irish-Catholic family, so some might expect for him to follow the tradition of kissing the pope's ring when meeting him, but he didn't. Biden's mother taught him that no one is better than he is and while treating everyone with respect, there's no need to kiss someone's ring.

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I agree that he should not have, although I don't share the same reasoning.

The Vice President of the United States is a public servant of the United States. He swears an oath on the Bible to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Because we are not a Catholic country and our Constitution demands that freedom of religion not be infringed, that oath is compromised if someone displays a filial loyalty to the Pope during an official state visit (according to another source Joe Biden was a senator at the time of the earlier meetings). He has committed to public service.

There is nothing wrong with taking him swearing loyalty to the Pope as a private citizen. That Joe Biden is an observant Catholic who is willing to use his religious pledges in the service of this country is something that was fully disclosed to us during the 2008 and 2012 elections, and we approved. We can choose to reject a Catholic vice president if we wish. We can also send a non-Catholic dignitary to meet the Pope.


Stopped taking you seriously at that point.
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#5Masta CroutonPosted 3/23/2013 10:02:15 AM
doesn't sound like his reasoning is religious...
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#6IamvegitoPosted 3/23/2013 10:04:02 AM
From: wolf_blitzer85 | #003
A Democrat exercises his religious beliefs and the media is OK with that.
Republican does the same thing (need examples?) and the media rips him to shreds.

Yeah, WBC is the same as not kissing the Pope's ring. Get out of here, troll.
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#7YouAreCrumbsPosted 3/23/2013 10:04:05 AM
wolf_blitzer85 posted...
A Democrat exercises his religious beliefs and the media is OK with that.
Republican does the same thing (need examples?) and the media rips him to shreds.

Yeah, fair and balanced coverage.

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. -- Mark 12:17


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#8Brett8Posted 3/23/2013 10:07:55 AM
I don't care, I wouldn't have done it, and anyone who cares about whether or not somebody kisses somebody else's ring is problematic.
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#9SouthernfatmanPosted 3/23/2013 10:25:24 AM
Good for Biden.

Kissing rings? Who do the pope and queen think they are, mafia dons?

Then again, they kinda sorta are in some ways.
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#10Heineken14Posted 3/23/2013 10:59:33 AM
Nobody should kiss the Pope's ring.
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