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Kansas GOP: Rape exceptions for abortions are gotcha moments!!!

#11RedcountPosted 4/3/2013 8:48:20 PM(edited)
A fetus's right to life supercedes a women's right of happiness and comfort.

That's essentially what you're saying if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant


And it's an absolutely true statement, and one I agree with.

"You've given us a choice between forcing something unbelievably terrible on an already traumatized woman and compromising our unrealistic, impractical, and damaging views. Not fair!"

If a woman carries a child to term, there are risks involved, but generally maternal fatality is very low in the developed world (and if there was a medical reason their life would be in great danger, I think an abortion would be a reasonable solution). The survival rate for unborn children who are aborted is, by definition, 0%. Keeping the child keeps more innocent people alive.

The rapist should hang either way.

EDIT:

Not to mention that personhood at conception leads to difficult questions about chimeras, identical twins, conjoined twins, and miscarriages. Very few people who argue for personhood at conception ever address those issues.

Which is why I don't argue for "personhood at conception".

I don't see how those things really muddy the waters, though. What difficult questions are raised? I could answer some, perhaps.
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#12OrcaPosted 4/3/2013 8:48:39 PM
Redcount posted...
A fetus's right to life supercedes a women's right of happiness and comfort.

That's essentially what you're saying if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant


And it's an absolutely true statement, and one I agree with.


And yet you agree with shooting someone for taking property.

In your world property > a woman's own body.
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#13RedcountPosted 4/3/2013 8:53:23 PM
Orca posted...
Redcount posted...
A fetus's right to life supercedes a women's right of happiness and comfort.

That's essentially what you're saying if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant


And it's an absolutely true statement, and one I agree with.


And yet you agree with shooting someone for taking property.

In your world property > a woman's own body.


Ah, but I do believe in shooting someone for taking someone else's property.

Your body is your most valuable piece of personal property. My body is my property, yours is your property, a woman's body is her property. If you violently take it and use it against her consent, you are committing a property crime, and therefore she has every right to shove a shotgun up your ass, spit out a witty one-liner, and blow your intestines out through your nostrils.

So, yes, rapists should indeed be put to death. Innocent children should not.

My philosophy is a consistant one.
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#14YouAreCrumbsPosted 4/3/2013 8:53:40 PM
If a woman carries a child to term, there are risks involved, but generally maternal fatality is very low in the developed world (and if there was a medical reason their life would be in great danger, I think an abortion would be a reasonable solution). The survival rate for unborn children who are aborted is, by definition, 0%. Keeping the child keeps more innocent people alive.

Why, I'd never noticed that. I've changed my mind, I now oppose abortions vehemently. If you want an abortion, you'd better have a coat hanger and good aim, right?

(I'm trying to point out that banning abortion only leads to more dangerous abortion. But with humor!)
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#15YouAreCrumbsPosted 4/3/2013 8:55:27 PM
My body is my property, yours is your property, a woman's body is her property. If you violently take it and use it against her consent, you are committing a property crime, and therefore she has every right to shove a shotgun up your ass, spit out a witty one-liner, and blow your intestines out through your nostrils.

I don't follow, you're saying that you do support abortion in the case of a rape? Because that fetus would be violently taking that woman's body (her most valuable property) and using it without her consent.
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#16RedcountPosted 4/3/2013 8:58:36 PM
Why, I'd never noticed that. I've changed my mind, I now oppose abortions vehemently. If you want an abortion, you'd better have a coat hanger and good aim, right?

(I'm trying to point out that banning abortion only leads to more dangerous abortion. But with humor!)


So I take it you're against gun control, because people will just buy illegal guns or make their own anyways?

Will some women still seek abortions? Sure. Some women murder their teenaged children, too, despite it being illegal. Should we not have laws at all because it won't prevent all crime?
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#17YouAreCrumbsPosted 4/3/2013 8:59:59 PM
Redcount posted...
Why, I'd never noticed that. I've changed my mind, I now oppose abortions vehemently. If you want an abortion, you'd better have a coat hanger and good aim, right?

(I'm trying to point out that banning abortion only leads to more dangerous abortion. But with humor!)


So I take it you're against gun control, because people will just buy illegal guns or make their own anyways?

Will some women still seek abortions? Sure. Some women murder their teenaged children, too, despite it being illegal. Should we not have laws at all because it won't prevent all crime?


My concern is that it's dangerous to the mother, you robot.
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#18RedcountPosted 4/3/2013 9:00:10 PM
I don't follow, you're saying that you do support abortion in the case of a rape?

Nope. And you know that. You want a "gotcha" moment that isn't coming.

Because that fetus would be violently taking that woman's body (her most valuable property) and using it without her consent.

Fetus lacks mens rea. And actus reus, really, when you consider that it didn't choose to put itself there.

I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't.
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#19RedcountPosted 4/3/2013 9:01:51 PM
YouAreCrumbs posted...
Redcount posted...
Why, I'd never noticed that. I've changed my mind, I now oppose abortions vehemently. If you want an abortion, you'd better have a coat hanger and good aim, right?

(I'm trying to point out that banning abortion only leads to more dangerous abortion. But with humor!)


So I take it you're against gun control, because people will just buy illegal guns or make their own anyways?

Will some women still seek abortions? Sure. Some women murder their teenaged children, too, despite it being illegal. Should we not have laws at all because it won't prevent all crime?


My concern is that it's dangerous to the mother, you robot.


Well, if it's dangerous, don't do it. Duh.

Getting into a gunfight with the cops is dangerous, too, so I don't recommend breaking the law like that, either. If you don't want to deal with the medical or legal risks, don't do it.
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#20OrcaPosted 4/3/2013 9:05:42 PM
Redcount posted...
Your body is your most valuable piece of personal property. My body is my property, yours is your property, a woman's body is her property. If you violently take it and use it against her consent, you are committing a property crime, and therefore she has every right to shove a shotgun up your ass, spit out a witty one-liner, and blow your intestines out through your nostrils.


So you support abortion.
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