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Hate speech is free speech

#1Sativa_RosePosted 5/10/2013 6:22:57 AM
Hate speech is free speech - Results (174 votes)
Agree
68.97% (120 votes)
120
Disagree
31.03% (54 votes)
54
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What do you think about this statement? I agree with it completely.
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#2MadcowMobilePosted 5/10/2013 6:23:43 AM
It's really not that simple a question.
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#3RedcountPosted 5/10/2013 6:30:47 AM
MadcowMobile posted...
It's really not that simple a question.


It really is.

You want to spread hatred? That should be your right. Hatred, directed at the right targets, is a good thing. It's a human thing.

The only communication that should not be permitted is that which is slanderous, libellous, or fraudulent, and that which threatens or incites violence.

That's the problem in my country - you can't hate. Hatred is illegal. You'll be fined into poverty for having a viewpoint that not everyone shares. You don't have to advocate or threaten violence against anyone or any group, you just need to say you don't like them very much.
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#4Sativa_Rose(Topic Creator)Posted 5/10/2013 6:33:58 AM
Redcount posted...
MadcowMobile posted...
It's really not that simple a question.


It really is.

You want to spread hatred? That should be your right. Hatred, directed at the right targets, is a good thing. It's a human thing.

The only communication that should not be permitted is that which is slanderous, libellous, or fraudulent, and that which threatens or incites violence.

That's the problem in my country - you can't hate. Hatred is illegal. You'll be fined into poverty for having a viewpoint that not everyone shares. You don't have to advocate or threaten violence against anyone or any group, you just need to say you don't like them very much.


Very good points. Just to point this out if whoever is reading this isn't aware of how far the infringement of free speech has gone in the UK, a 19 year old was arrested and charged with "sending a grossly offensive communication" for posting that "all soldiers should die and go to hell" on Facebook.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19604735
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#5NoName999Posted 5/10/2013 6:37:24 AM
Oh joy, another topic crying about free speech when he really means freedom from consequences
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#6SaikyoStylePosted 5/10/2013 6:39:24 AM
Toke jopic.
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#7RedcountPosted 5/10/2013 6:41:21 AM
NoName999 posted...
Oh joy, another topic crying about free speech when he really means freedom from consequences


So...you're saying that North Korea has free speech...but the consequence of exercising it is the gulag?
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#8linkkhalid89Posted 5/10/2013 6:49:44 AM
The reason why fighting words are categorically excluded from the protection of the First Amendment is not that their content communicates any particular idea, but that their content embodies a particularly intolerable (and socially unnecessary) mode of expressing whatever idea the speaker wishes to convey.


- Scalia
#9NoName999Posted 5/10/2013 6:52:01 AM
Redcount posted...
NoName999 posted...
Oh joy, another topic crying about free speech when he really means freedom from consequences


So...you're saying that North Korea has free speech...but the consequence of exercising it is the gulag?


Don't be obtuse.

When people cry that hate speech counts as free speech they usually say it after the fact that someone called them out on their hateful bs (which btw is free speech)
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#10RedcountPosted 5/10/2013 7:22:17 AM(edited)
When people cry that hate speech counts as free speech they usually say it after the fact that someone called them out on their hateful bs (which btw is free speech)

No. No, no, no. I just...

Look, maybe you're an American, so you don't understand. Because your country is so much more free than Canada, when it comes to speech. Because your country hasn't faced the subversion of its constitutional values through quasi-judicial tribunals created by the government.

I know it sounds beyond belief to an outsider, the idea that Canada isn't a wondrous land of peace and justice for all. That's the image we've cultivated, and that's great...but it makes it harder for people to fathom that Orwellian-named "Human Rights Tribunals" investigate the exercise of free speech, and prosecute people for the exercise of their rights.

I posted this in another topic, and I encourage everyone to investigate the complaints against Ezra Levant, and Macleans magazine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVJTHIvqw8

People need to understand that when I criticise the concept of "hate speech", I'm not trying to shield any individual or publication from the scorn of public opinion. I'm not trying to deflect criticism of an idea. What I am trying to oppose is what I have seen befall the citizens of Canada: the establishment of unaccountable, unconstitutional public bodies used as state weapons against those exercising their rights under Section 2 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
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