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When did Rice say it was a Youtube video that caused BENGHAZI?

#1mystic belmontPosted 5/10/2013 11:06:04 PM
I just want to know.
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#2JolteonPosted 5/10/2013 11:24:47 PM
In all seriousness, I think pretty much everyone* other than our board's many, many trolls is aware that BENGHAZI!!! is nothing more than a cynical attempt to fabricate a scandal. We've had a number of excellent editorials about the subject, and it was already discussed far beyond the point of uncovering any useful information back in the fall of last year.

A subsection of the media (the subsection that essentially functions as a propaganda arm of the GOP) is driving this story, and at this point every new topic that gets made about the embassy attacks is just helping them along. There is no "real" reason for us to be talking about Benghazi.

*There are exceptions, such as Sniper_Brosef who at least ostensibly are interested in a full recounting of the facts, but unfortunately that's not actually going to happen. All the "hearings" and "whistle-blowers" are not going to lead to better embassy security - if they were about making actual changes and preventing future attacks, we would be working on that instead of trying to get to the bottom of where a list of talking points came from - so even the small percentage of people who have a non-partisan interest in the story are not actually going to get any satisfaction.
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#3AceVanquishPosted 5/11/2013 4:55:07 AM
Sept. 15-16: Susan Rice Contradicts Libyan President

Sept. 15: Obama discusses the Benghazi attack in his weekly address. He makes no mention of terror, terrorists or extremists. He does talk about the anti-Muslim film and “every angry mob” that it inspired in pockets of the Middle East.

Sept. 16: Libya President Mohamed Magariaf says on CBS News’ “Face the Nation” that the attack on the U.S. consulate was planned months in advance. But Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, tells CBS News’ Bob Schieffer: “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.” She says it began “spontaneously … as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo,” and “extremist elements” joined in the protest. (It was later learned that Rice received her information from the CIA.)

Sept. 16: Magariaf says in an interview with NPR: “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous. We firmly believe that this was a precalculated, preplanned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. consulate.”

Sept. 17: State Defends Rice and ‘Initial Assessment’

Sept. 17: Nuland, the State Department spokeswoman, is asked about Rice’s comments on “Face the Nation” and four other Sunday talk shows. Nuland says, “The comments that Ambassador Rice made accurately reflect our government’s initial assessment.” Nuland uses the phrase “initial assessment” three times when discussing Rice’s comments.

Sept. 18: Obama Says ‘Extremists’ Used Video As ‘Excuse’

Sept. 18: Obama was asked about the Benghazi attack on “The Late Show with David Letterman.” The president said, “Here’s what happened,” and began discussing the impact of the anti-Muslim video. He then said, “Extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the consulate in Libya.” He also said, “As offensive as this video was and, obviously, we’ve denounced it and the United States government had nothing to do with it. That’s never an excuse for violence.”

Sept. 18: Asked about Magariaf’s assessment that the video had nothing to do with the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the White House spokesman says Obama “would rather wait” for the investigation to be completed. “But at this time, as Ambassador Rice said and as I said, our understanding and our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped — that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere,” Carney says. “What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”

Sept. 18: After meeting with Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Patricia Espinosa, Clinton speaks with reporters and is asked if the Libyan president is “wrong” that “this attack was planned for months.” Clinton says, “The Office of the Director of National Intelligence has said we had no actionable intelligence that an attack on our post in Benghazi was planned or imminent.” She does not say if Magariaf is right or wrong.

factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/
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#4mystic belmont(Topic Creator)Posted 5/11/2013 6:20:32 AM
And initial assessments can be wrong, and Rice mentioned that the investigation was ongoing and could change.
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#5OMGWTFPIEPosted 5/11/2013 6:42:48 AM
From: mystic belmont | #004
And initial assessments can be wrong, and Rice mentioned that the investigation was ongoing and could change.


Then don't say things that are completely baseless and entirely contradicted by the CIA report.

It's fine to say "We're not sure why this happened yet, the investigation is ongoing" but it is NOT okay to say "This happened because of an anti-Muslim video, and the investigation is ongoing", ESPECIALLY when the CIA report says absolutely nothing about the video. There's a huge difference, and the fact of the matter is she said all this to the United Nations of all places.

The response by our government when the video was figured to be the cause of the attack was also unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtNu6E7c4vA

Here it is not only presumed that the video caused the attack, but Clinton goes out of her way to try to mend bridges with the very Muslims who were, at the time, assumed to have attacked our consulate due to the video.

The Obama administration as a group wholly botched the initial response to the attack. It has yet to be seen whether the criticisms go beyond that, but the facts that we already know to be true surrounding the issue are not good for the Obama administration, and it's pathetic that CNN and NBC don't cover that angle.
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#6TriadPosted 5/11/2013 9:20:10 AM
OMGWTFPIE posted...
From: mystic belmont | #004
And initial assessments can be wrong, and Rice mentioned that the investigation was ongoing and could change.


Then don't say things that are completely baseless and entirely contradicted by the CIA report.

It's fine to say "We're not sure why this happened yet, the investigation is ongoing" but it is NOT okay to say "This happened because of an anti-Muslim video, and the investigation is ongoing", ESPECIALLY when the CIA report says absolutely nothing about the video. There's a huge difference, and the fact of the matter is she said all this to the United Nations of all places.

The response by our government when the video was figured to be the cause of the attack was also unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtNu6E7c4vA

Here it is not only presumed that the video caused the attack, but Clinton goes out of her way to try to mend bridges with the very Muslims who were, at the time, assumed to have attacked our consulate due to the video.

The Obama administration as a group wholly botched the initial response to the attack. It has yet to be seen whether the criticisms go beyond that, but the facts that we already know to be true surrounding the issue are not good for the Obama administration, and it's pathetic that CNN and NBC don't cover that angle.


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#7atmasabrPosted 5/11/2013 10:11:33 AM
mystic belmont posted...
I just want to know.


Wait a minute.

You spend all this time in the other topic or two saying how she wasn't lying at all and basically stating the government's actual position, and now you're saying this piece of junk?

Quit trolling this board!
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#8atmasabrPosted 5/11/2013 10:12:26 AM(edited)
Jolteon posted...
In all seriousness, I think pretty much everyone* other than our board's many, many trolls is aware that BENGHAZI!!! is nothing more than a cynical attempt to fabricate a scandal. We've had a number of excellent editorials about the subject, and it was already discussed far beyond the point of uncovering any useful information back in the fall of last year.

A subsection of the media (the subsection that essentially functions as a propaganda arm of the GOP) is driving this story, and at this point every new topic that gets made about the embassy attacks is just helping them along. There is no "real" reason for us to be talking about Benghazi.

*There are exceptions, such as Sniper_Brosef who at least ostensibly are interested in a full recounting of the facts, but unfortunately that's not actually going to happen. All the "hearings" and "whistle-blowers" are not going to lead to better embassy security - if they were about making actual changes and preventing future attacks, we would be working on that instead of trying to get to the bottom of where a list of talking points came from - so even the small percentage of people who have a non-partisan interest in the story are not actually going to get any satisfaction.


But the latest story was by ABC News. Heard of it?
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#9AceVanquishPosted 5/11/2013 6:10:50 PM
AceVanquish posted...
Sept. 15-16: Susan Rice Contradicts Libyan President

Sept. 15: Obama discusses the Benghazi attack in his weekly address. He makes no mention of terror, terrorists or extremists. He does talk about the anti-Muslim film and “every angry mob” that it inspired in pockets of the Middle East.

Sept. 16: Libya President Mohamed Magariaf says on CBS News’ “Face the Nation” that the attack on the U.S. consulate was planned months in advance. But Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, tells CBS News’ Bob Schieffer: “We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.” She says it began “spontaneously … as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo,” and “extremist elements” joined in the protest. (It was later learned that Rice received her information from the CIA.)

Sept. 16: Magariaf says in an interview with NPR: “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous. We firmly believe that this was a precalculated, preplanned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. consulate.”

Sept. 17: State Defends Rice and ‘Initial Assessment’

Sept. 17: Nuland, the State Department spokeswoman, is asked about Rice’s comments on “Face the Nation” and four other Sunday talk shows. Nuland says, “The comments that Ambassador Rice made accurately reflect our government’s initial assessment.” Nuland uses the phrase “initial assessment” three times when discussing Rice’s comments.

Sept. 18: Obama Says ‘Extremists’ Used Video As ‘Excuse’

Sept. 18: Obama was asked about the Benghazi attack on “The Late Show with David Letterman.” The president said, “Here’s what happened,” and began discussing the impact of the anti-Muslim video. He then said, “Extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the consulate in Libya.” He also said, “As offensive as this video was and, obviously, we’ve denounced it and the United States government had nothing to do with it. That’s never an excuse for violence.”

Sept. 18: Asked about Magariaf’s assessment that the video had nothing to do with the terrorist attack in Benghazi, the White House spokesman says Obama “would rather wait” for the investigation to be completed. “But at this time, as Ambassador Rice said and as I said, our understanding and our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped — that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere,” Carney says. “What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”

Sept. 18: After meeting with Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Patricia Espinosa, Clinton speaks with reporters and is asked if the Libyan president is “wrong” that “this attack was planned for months.” Clinton says, “The Office of the Director of National Intelligence has said we had no actionable intelligence that an attack on our post in Benghazi was planned or imminent.” She does not say if Magariaf is right or wrong.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

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#10FunWithAFryPanPosted 5/11/2013 6:53:27 PM
“But at this time, as Ambassador Rice said and as I said, our understanding and our belief based on the information we have is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped — that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere,” Carney says. “What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation.”

From your own post.
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