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GOP's current actions were the result of a deliberate strategy formed in January

#1NoName999Posted 10/5/2013 8:18:08 AM
In January, demoralized House Republicans retreated to Williamsburg, Virginia, to plot out their legislative strategy for President Obama’s second term. Conservatives were angry that their leaders had been unable to stop the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on high incomes, and sought assurances from their leaders that no further compromises would be forthcoming. The agreement that followed, which Republicans called “The Williamsburg Accord,” received obsessive coverage in the conservative media but scant attention in the mainstream press. (The phrase “Williamsburg Accord” has appeared once in the Washington Post and not at all in the New York Times.)

But the decision House Republicans made in January has set the party on the course it has followed since. If you want to grasp why Republicans are careening toward a potential federal government shutdown, and possibly toward provoking a sovereign debt crisis after that, you need to understand that this is the inevitable product of a conscious party strategy. Just as Republicans responded to their 2008 defeat by moving farther right, they responded to the 2012 defeat by moving right yet again. Since they had begun from a position of total opposition to the entire Obama agenda, the newer rightward lurch took the form of trying to wrest concessions from Obama by provoking a series of crises.

The first element of the strategy is a kind of legislative strike. Initially, House Republicans decided to boycott all direct negotiations with President Obama, and then subsequently extended that boycott to negotiations with the Democratic Senate. (Senate Democrats have spent months pleading with House Republicans to negotiate with them, to no avail.) This kind of refusal to even enter negotiations is highly unusual. The way to make sense of it is that Republicans have planned since January to force Obama to accede to large chunks of the Republican agenda, without Republicans having to offer any policy concessions of their own.

Republicans have thrashed this way and that throughout the year. Republicans have fallen out, often sharply, over which hostages to ransom, with the most conservative ones favoring a government shutdown threat and the more pragmatic wing, oddly, endorsing a debt default threat. They have also struggled to define the terms of their ransom. The Williamsburg Accord initially envisioned forcing Obama to sign spending cuts, or some form of the Paul Ryan budget. During the summer, Republicans flirted with making Obama lock in lower marginal tax rates. Recently, Republicans settled on pressuring him to kill his health-care law. But the general contours of the legislative strike, and the plan of obtaining policy victories without offering any policy concessions, has enjoyed general agreement within the party.

The history is important because much of the news coverage and centrist commentary has leaned heavily on the idea that the crises in Washington have come about because of some nebulous failure of bipartisanship. The Washington Post editorial page implores both sides to compromise, without explaining why only one party should have to offer policy concessions to keep the government running. Mark Halperin neatly implies that the two sides share the blame in equal measure


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/house-gops-legislative-strike.html

For any yahoos who still thinks it's "same thing both sides" or it's the Democrats' fault for caving the 393056th time.
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#2Magus1947Posted 10/5/2013 8:22:41 AM
Why would anyone call these people terrorists? Terrorists don't hold secret meetings in backwoods landscapes to plot the downfall of enemy countries through irregular warfare.
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#3MaxCHEATER64Posted 10/5/2013 8:28:13 AM
As much as I want to believe that's true, I don't want to believe that's true.
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#4legendary_zellPosted 10/5/2013 8:31:06 AM
No. NO. Same. Thing. Both. Sides.
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#5I have no namePosted 10/5/2013 8:51:35 AM
The history is important because much of the news coverage and centrist commentary has leaned heavily on the idea that the crises in Washington have come about because of some nebulous failure of bipartisanship. The Washington Post editorial page implores both sides to compromise, without explaining why only one party should have to offer policy concessions to keep the government running. Mark Halperin neatly implies that the two sides share the blame in equal measure

That's what disgusts me about this whole thing. Where is that liberal media conservatives are always whining about? Because all I see is the cult of Same Thing Both Sides continuing their mindless chanting about how this is the Democrat's fault to. Boehner could threaten to burn down congress unless Obama willingly submits to the guillotine and the media, and this board, would still be full of moderates bleating that the fire is also the Democrat's faulty for not negotiating.

Meanwhile the right-wingers have no such problems. They're marching in lockstep repeating the exact same talking points from the highest official of the GOP down to the lowly footsoldiers on this board. They don't care if it's true or not, these are the same people who wore a straight face as they defended slashing voting hours and doing everything possible to stop Democrats from exercising their right to vote with the utterly bull**** excuse of 'voter fraud', they just keep repeating it until average joe dumbass assumes it's true. The GOP can do literally anything they want because the supposedly liberal media is too chicken**** to call them out on it while their propaganda wing at FOX News repeats their talking points, true or not, all day every day.

We should have an actual liberal media to counter FOX, but instead all we have is a network that puts people like S.E Cupp on. The left-wingers are too disorganized and whiny to put out a coherent message while the right-wingers are shouting in perfect harmony. The great mass of moron moderates between them are never gonna abandon their religious belief that both sides share blame as long as this stays the same, which I fear it will forever.

End Rant.
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#6KD003Posted 10/5/2013 8:58:45 AM
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#7legendary_zellPosted 10/5/2013 9:04:07 AM(edited)
I have no name posted...
The history is important because much of the news coverage and centrist commentary has leaned heavily on the idea that the crises in Washington have come about because of some nebulous failure of bipartisanship. The Washington Post editorial page implores both sides to compromise, without explaining why only one party should have to offer policy concessions to keep the government running. Mark Halperin neatly implies that the two sides share the blame in equal measure

That's what disgusts me about this whole thing. Where is that liberal media conservatives are always whining about? Because all I see is the cult of Same Thing Both Sides continuing their mindless chanting about how this is the Democrat's fault to. Boehner could threaten to burn down congress unless Obama willingly submits to the guillotine and the media, and this board, would still be full of moderates bleating that the fire is also the Democrat's faulty for not negotiating.

Meanwhile the right-wingers have no such problems. They're marching in lockstep repeating the exact same talking points from the highest official of the GOP down to the lowly footsoldiers on this board. They don't care if it's true or not, these are the same people who wore a straight face as they defended slashing voting hours and doing everything possible to stop Democrats from exercising their right to vote with the utterly bull**** excuse of 'voter fraud', they just keep repeating it until average joe dumbass assumes it's true. The GOP can do literally anything they want because the supposedly liberal media is too chicken**** to call them out on it while their propaganda wing at FOX News repeats their talking points, true or not, all day every day.

We should have an actual liberal media to counter FOX, but instead all we have is a network that puts people like S.E Cupp on. The left-wingers are too disorganized and whiny to put out a coherent message while the right-wingers are shouting in perfect harmony. The great mass of moron moderates between them are never gonna abandon their religious belief that both sides share blame as long as this stays the same, which I fear it will forever.

End Rant.


All this. Somehow, our news media has gotten the message that being an objective, impartial news source means constantly assigning equal blame to both parties, in a misguided attempt to appear neutral. They don't seem to notice that no matter how much they present false equivalencies to bolster their journalistic credentials and avoid criticism, many people have been fed the belief that the news media is liberal and that wont be changed by reality or any actions on the part of the media. It's almost a religious belief and a pillar of the conservative faith at this point. So all they are doing by doubling down on the samethingbothsides mantra is distorting reality and letting those who deserve the blame get away with their tactics.

Basically, it's the media being stupid neutral and using the Golden Mean fallacy at every possible opportunity.
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#8TaiIs82Posted 10/5/2013 9:16:18 AM
Junk story. Author says there was a conspiracy not to negotiate, and that this is terrible, when in reality it's Obama and others who went on record in the open saying they would not negotiate.
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#9TheRunner PDPosted 10/5/2013 9:24:30 AM
TaiIs82 posted...
Junk story. Author says there was a conspiracy not to negotiate, and that this is terrible, when in reality it's Obama and others who went on record in the open saying they would not negotiate.


Shut the f** up.
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#10NoName999(Topic Creator)Posted 10/5/2013 9:51:23 AM
TaiIs82 posted...
Junk story. Author says there was a conspiracy not to negotiate, and that this is terrible, when in reality it's Obama and others who went on record in the open saying they would not negotiate.


http://thehill.com/homenews/house/275295-boehner-tells-gop-hes-done-with-one-on-one-obama-talks
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/298223-senate-gop-denies-formation-of-budget-conference-for-third-time

LOL Fails82!
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