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"Designer babies a disaster for our society" - bishop.

#1Superlnfinity45Posted 8/2/2014 4:16:08 PM(edited)
He's right.

Women are being given the chance to choose occupation, IQ, fitness, height, eyecolour etc. of father. This is really serious, it's from people not understanding how evolution or biology works and if left unchecked will irreversibly wipe out all normal humans. This is why it's so important that people understand that smarter or healthier or faster != "better".

He goes on to talk about same sex couples... uh oh imo he shouldn't have mentioned that at all, it's completely irrelevant compared to designer babies and will alienate a huge fraction of people from the important discussion on where we're headed.

Britain is to get its first NHS-funded national sperm bank to make it easier for lesbian couples and single women to have children.

This announcement raises some important questions about the future of our children and the role of men in our families and communities.

The most important thing to say is that the needs of any child must be primary. It is the upbringing, welfare and education of the child that should be the prior consideration. It is not enough to ‘want’ a child, let alone one with particular characteristics.

This bank will allow women to choose from profiles of donors, which will include educational attainment and ‘attractiveness’ criteria, raising the spectre of ‘designer babies’, born to the parents’ specifications.

What if the process of pregnancy and birth ‘interferes’ with the desired outcomes? Will such babies then be rejected?

Research shows that children are best brought up in families where a mum and dad are present. The role of fathers in the nurture of their children is unique and cannot be replaced by other so-called ‘male role-models’ or, indeed, an extra ‘mother’.

Research tells us that children relate to their fathers differently than to their mothers, and this is important in developing a sense of their own identity.

In particular, boys need closeness to their fathers for a sense of security and in developing their own identity, including appropriate patterns of masculine behaviour.

The results of ‘father-hunger’ can be seen in educational achievement and on our streets, where it contributes to delinquency.

None of this should detract from the heroism of single parents. They should be provided with every support by the State and by local communities.

There is, however, a big difference between children growing up without fathers because of death or family breakdown, and actively planning to bring children into the world who will not know one of their biological parents and where such a parent will never be part of the nurture of these children.

This also brings the question of anonymity to the fore. The change in the law, so people could, at a certain age, find out who their biological father is, has certainly contributed to the ‘shortage’ of donors in response to which the sperm bank has been set up.

If there is no anonymity, will potential donors come forward, or will the bank face these same ‘shortages’?

The move - funded by the Department of Health - is largely designed to meet the increasing demand from thousands of women who want to start a family without having a relationship with a man

The move - funded by the Department of Health - is largely designed to meet the increasing demand from thousands of women who want to start a family without having a relationship with a man

What then? Will it rely on overseas donors? What implications will this have for anyone wanting to be in contact with their biological dad?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2714339/Designer-babies-disaster-society-writes-Bishop-Michael-Nazir-Ali-former-Bishop-Rochester.html
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#2goatthiefPosted 8/2/2014 4:15:43 PM
Go away
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#3Nitro378Posted 8/2/2014 4:16:35 PM
Designer genes are the future. I fully support it. You know nothing about genetics.
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#4Superlnfinity45(Topic Creator)Posted 8/2/2014 4:21:27 PM
Nitro378 posted...
Designer genes are the future. I fully support it. You know nothing about genetics.


You're a ridiculous individual, please don't talk to me again. You're not an aspiring journalist, more like a clown stalking the forum with random views and you know nothing about genetics while I do.
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#5Nitro378Posted 8/2/2014 4:24:04 PM
I'm pretty sure being afraid GMOs will destroy the planet means you have no understanding of biology or evolution. Also, I was on this board and this site first, maybe you should leave if you don't want to be mocked - I'm far from the only one thinks you're a joke.
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#6Caer_DeathPosted 8/2/2014 4:26:53 PM
"Female liberation is a disaster for our society" - bishop.
He's right.

Women are being given the chance to choose occupation, IQ, fitness, height, eyecolour etc. of their potential mates. This is really serious, it's from people not understanding how evolution or biology works and if left unchecked will irreversibly wipe out all normal humans.


Normal human will be exterminated through the following means:
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#7-Kicksave-Posted 8/2/2014 4:29:25 PM
I'm glad I'll be dead (probably) before genetic manipulation of fetuses/embryos becomes common place.

This is the biggest sociological event I think will happen before the next 100 years. When specific segments of the population (e.g. upper class, certain governments) gain the ability to make their offspring geniuses, athletes, disease-resistant, aesthetically pleasing, and truly creating a dual society of super humans and everyone else. Like the movie Gattaca.

Or even if it becomes widespread beyond a certain class, the purpose and mechanism of life itself--passing down your genes--gets replaced by the norms/designs of society and all uniqueness and individuality becomes lost. Like how every rich Korean girl looks the same. Now add in the mental and psychological aspects and make it world wide.
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#8aarrgusPosted 8/2/2014 4:36:14 PM
Women are being given the chance to choose occupation, IQ, fitness, height, eyecolour etc. of father.

Unlike how we select mates now. We do select mates completely randomly right?
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#9Superlnfinity45(Topic Creator)Posted 8/2/2014 4:57:41 PM
aarrgus posted...
Women are being given the chance to choose occupation, IQ, fitness, height, eyecolour etc. of father.

Unlike how we select mates now. We do select mates completely randomly right?


I refuse to answer a question that's so stupid and yet is said in a sarcastic way as if you think you're making a point.
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#10UltimaXOmegaPosted 8/2/2014 5:01:04 PM
So people want their children to be what they consider perfect.
Certainly sounds like a well known German and his beliefs

Also how would the people supporting this feel if people changed their potential gay child to straight?
In the future this will certainly be possible.
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