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why is logic and reason so hard to accept

#1Forte89Posted 5/24/2011 9:47:55 PM
how can things reaching outside the realm of logic be considered truth?
#2GuideToTheDarkPosted 5/24/2011 9:52:20 PM
Far as I can tell, people feel there MUST be something spiritual out there. I don't know, I guess it's usually hard for people to be objective.
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'Would have', not 'would of'.
#3TheLesserFaithXPosted 5/24/2011 11:53:57 PM
People think logic is subjective.
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Evolution is a scientific fact with tons of conclusive evidence.
Here is a shortened link to a Google Doc that compiles said evidence: http://goo.gl/hWwzO
#4TheRealJiraiyaPosted 5/24/2011 11:56:17 PM
are*

logic is a machine. It accepts premises and cranks out conclusions. But where do the premises come from? On something physical and scientific, the premises are easy enough to come by. I dropped the ball, it fell to the ground. I dropped the peanut, it fell to the ground. I jumped and fell to the ground. Gravity. But when we get into the issue of religion, premises are much harder to come by: In fact, there is little objective basis to make a claim for or against the existence of a deity. Without a hard ground on which to found premises, the same, objective logic will crank out different conclusions.
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"An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup." -H.L. Mencken
#5TheLesserFaithXPosted 5/25/2011 12:00:24 AM
Sure, but those conclusions should be valid.
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Evolution is a scientific fact with tons of conclusive evidence.
Here is a shortened link to a Google Doc that compiles said evidence: http://goo.gl/hWwzO
#6TheLesserFaithXPosted 5/25/2011 12:01:10 AM
You can't say something along the lines of "well, this is valid TO ME, that's how MY logic works."

Uh, no. A fallacy is a fallacy.
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Evolution is a scientific fact with tons of conclusive evidence.
Here is a shortened link to a Google Doc that compiles said evidence: http://goo.gl/hWwzO
#7TheRealJiraiyaPosted 5/25/2011 12:03:15 AM
I dont hide behind pseudosubjectivism, lesserfaith.

Sure, but those conclusions should be valid.

Are my conclusions invalid?
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"An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup." -H.L. Mencken
#8TheLesserFaithXPosted 5/25/2011 12:06:17 AM
No, they are valid. I never said they weren't.

You're arguing that difference conclusions could be drawn, and I agree, they can. But they all must be valid.

Most people who don't "accept" logic think that the rules of informal logic vary from person to person. They don't.
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Evolution is a scientific fact with tons of conclusive evidence.
Here is a shortened link to a Google Doc that compiles said evidence: http://goo.gl/hWwzO
#9TheRealJiraiyaPosted 5/25/2011 12:07:23 AM
I agree.

*high five*
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"An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup." -H.L. Mencken
#10TheLesserFaithXPosted 5/25/2011 12:13:35 AM
^_^
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Evolution is a scientific fact with tons of conclusive evidence.
Here is a shortened link to a Google Doc that compiles said evidence: http://goo.gl/hWwzO