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how do predestination and free will coexist?

#1winter____bellsPosted 9/2/2011 9:28:42 AM
been thinking about this recently, not in the mood to type anything up atm but will later.

looking for all viewpoints/perspectives.
#2OrangeWizardPosted 9/2/2011 9:38:46 AM
They don't.
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#3actarusPosted 9/2/2011 9:49:30 AM
Read the Book Jonah.
Nineveh did fall but generations later because the people repent.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah+1&version=KJV
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#4fudrickPosted 9/2/2011 10:01:43 AM
actarus posted...
Read the Book Jonah.
Nineveh did fall but generations later because the people repent.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah+1&version=KJV


How is this an answer?
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#5OrangeWizardPosted 9/2/2011 10:37:03 AM

From: actarus | #003
Nineveh did fall but generations later because the people repent.


That's not predestination. It doesn't take "when" into account. If God only predestined that Nineveh would fall...EVENTUALLY, then that's not any better than what humans can predict.
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#6lorddrago88Posted 9/2/2011 11:34:20 AM
OrangeWizard posted...
They don't.
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#7the_hedonistPosted 9/2/2011 11:57:55 AM
Don't have a lot of time to make an extensive post, but the short story is that they coexist only as far as your definition of free will allows them to do so. Some people have differing definitions of free will. Most academic philosophers today are compatibilists, if that really means anything at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism
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#8Teh_MurmurPosted 9/2/2011 12:08:36 PM
I believe in predestination as the sum of a series of free-will decisions made as a result of innate personal tendencies and accumulated life experiences.
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#9kozlo100Posted 9/2/2011 12:19:39 PM
For my own two cents, I define free will as having the ability to select between more than two or more possible options via a mechanism internal to your self.

I'm not sure if such a thing exists, but as far as I can see there is no way it could exist in a deterministic system, as such a system never presents more than one possible option.

Predestination requires a deterministic system, else there is a chance the predestined result might not come to pass. Hence Predestination cannot coexist with free will.
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#10DoGCyNPosted 9/2/2011 1:19:44 PM(edited)
how do predestination and free will coexist?

They just do. The Bible proves both these thoughts at the exact same time.

P.S. I will offer my thoughts later as well. Just got back from a game and I'm tired lol.
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