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If God created free will, and God is omniscient...

#11OrangeWizardPosted 11/5/2011 7:49:28 PM(edited)

From: Xigbar | #010
popular monotheism? By popular, I mean the kind that affects all our daily lives.


I dunno. There are seven million Jehovah's Witnesses. We all believe that. It affects our daily lives.

But if you want to go pick on the low hanging fruit and bash the mainstream Christian's definition of God for having a contradictory and morally flawed version of omniscience, go for it.

But if that's not what you're doing, I'm lost.
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#12OrangeWizardPosted 11/5/2011 7:50:42 PM

From: NsM Comatosis | #007
instead of having to confine ourselves to patches of land here and there thanks to nature's uncanny ability to kill us anywhere else.


You say this as if we don't build cities on fault lines, and in the paths of regular hurricanes
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#13hero boyPosted 11/5/2011 9:31:33 PM
Atheists = 1
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#14fudrickPosted 11/5/2011 11:56:12 PM
OrangeWizard posted...
You say this as if we don't build cities on fault lines, and in the paths of regular hurricanes

You say this as if there are lots of places you can live with no chance of encountering a natural disaster.
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#15XigbarPosted 11/6/2011 4:37:10 PM
OrangeWizard posted...
From: Xigbar | #010
popular monotheism? By popular, I mean the kind that affects all our daily lives.
I dunno. There are seven million Jehovah's Witnesses. We all believe that. It affects our daily lives.

But if you want to go pick on the low hanging fruit and bash the mainstream Christian's definition of God for having a contradictory and morally flawed version of omniscience, go for it.

But if that's not what you're doing, I'm lost.




The low hanging fruit is what gets in my way when I'm taking a stroll. If mainstream Christianity is a flawed version of your belief, then aren't you pretty outraged about the ubiquity of that flawed mindset?
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#16OrangeWizardPosted 11/6/2011 5:33:25 PM

From: Xigbar | #015
The low hanging fruit is what gets in my way when I'm taking a stroll. If mainstream Christianity is a flawed version of your belief, then aren't you pretty outraged about the ubiquity of that flawed mindset?


Yes, I am. And my strolls include preaching against this.
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#17ilsunshangxiangPosted 11/6/2011 7:31:48 PM
god may not have intended to allow gay sex when he created the universe but the universe evolved and gay sex now can happen
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#18XigbarPosted 11/6/2011 8:08:29 PM
ilovesunshangxiang posted...
god may not have intended to allow gay sex when he created the universe but the universe evolved and gay sex now can happen


Deism is fine and dandy, but the God who assists our policy-makers with decision making is intimately involved with human affairs. Like a guide who's been lending a hand all along. If you're talking about a deity who isn't pulling all the strings on today's Earth, then you are talking about something entirely different than what people tend to mean when they use the word "God".




Putting that aside for now, the God you're talking about is clearly not omnipotent. What makes him or her a God?
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#19GuideToTheDarkPosted 11/6/2011 8:11:09 PM

From: TheRealJiraiya | #002
treewojima posted...
... then God created free will knowing that gay sex would result. Hence, God created gay sex.

I disagree that your conclusion follows from your premises.




You never did find away around the whole free will being incompatible with omniscience.
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#20anavriNPosted 11/6/2011 8:44:40 PM
I dont think "God allowed x to happen" = "God did x"

I do think that the predicate of omnipotence makes any deity responsible for everything that happens, regardless of the existence of free will. To say that something falls outside of the jurisdiction of this deity is to restrain it, contradicting the very idea of omnipotence.
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