RetrotasticPosted 4/5/2012 11:55:27 AM | This is quite a funny video on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70IAwHTzrHI
He was being metaphorical of course, not that he would spell it out if anyone asked him what he meant. |
Burning_WolfXPosted 4/5/2012 12:47:57 PM | CorporateKnight posted... Jesus seems pretty straightforward when He said "THIS IS MY BLOOD"
Well, at least the first Christians believed so. Just ask Ignatius of Antioch.
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ProudcladPosted 4/5/2012 12:53:48 PM | Why does it matter what Ignatius believed? --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 |
RetrotasticPosted 4/5/2012 1:27:54 PM | It would be easy enough to say Ignatius was a tool and move on. |
TheRealJiraiyaPosted 4/5/2012 1:30:33 PM | CorporateKnight posted... Jesus seems pretty straightforward when He said "THIS IS MY BLOOD"
Well, at least the first Christians believed so. Just ask Ignatius of Antioch.
Ill bet you also believe that Satan is a dragon :P
Heck, back to the TC, I dont know how anyone can use this argument adn then NOT support a literal genesis.
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DagorhaPosted 4/5/2012 1:54:06 PM | TheRealJiraiya posted... CorporateKnight posted... Jesus seems pretty straightforward when He said "THIS IS MY BLOOD"
Well, at least the first Christians believed so. Just ask Ignatius of Antioch.
Ill bet you also believe that Satan is a dragon :P
Heck, back to the TC, I dont know how anyone can use this argument adn then NOT support a literal genesis.
Also, I dont care what Ignatius believed.
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CorporateKnightPosted 4/5/2012 2:39:24 PM | It doesn't matter if you care or not, the thing is that it is a fact that the first Chrisitians believed that the Eucarist was Christ's body and blood. Why we know this? Because there is EVIDENCE, witnesses to the Apostles themselves telling us so.
And why does Ignatius matter? Because he is an apostle himself, he is the child that sat at Christ's lap in the Gospels and was named Bishop of Antioch by the Apostles. If the "opinion" of a guy matyred in the name of Christ doesn't matter then those of people from the 1500s onwards shouldn't matter also.
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DagorhaPosted 4/5/2012 2:46:58 PM | CorporateKnight posted... It doesn't matter if you care or not, the thing is that it is a fact that the first Chrisitians believed that the Eucarist was Christ's body and blood. Why we know this? Because there is EVIDENCE, witnesses to the Apostles themselves telling us so.
And why does Ignatius matter? Because he is an apostle himself, he is the child that sat at Christ's lap in the Gospels and was named Bishop of Antioch by the Apostles. If the "opinion" of a guy matyred in the name of Christ doesn't matter then those of people from the 1500s onwards shouldn't matter also.
Excuse my terrible English.
It would depend on their interpretations wouldn't it? You don't get to be right by virtue of being chosen. If all humans are fallible then there is no reason to assume that they couldn't have gotten it wrong. --- You don't get a gold star for being less bloody stupid than another bloody stupid person when you are still demonstrably bloody stupid. -the final bahamut |
CorporateKnightPosted 4/5/2012 3:15:01 PM | Dagorha posted... It would depend on their interpretations wouldn't it? You don't get to be right by virtue of being chosen. If all humans are fallible then there is no reason to assume that they couldn't have gotten it wrong.
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DagorhaPosted 4/5/2012 4:17:33 PM | CorporateKnight posted... Dagorha posted... It would depend on their interpretations wouldn't it? You don't get to be right by virtue of being chosen. If all humans are fallible then there is no reason to assume that they couldn't have gotten it wrong.
Then Christ failed. Choosing fallible apostles to continue his message and work? Terrible idea.
Well at least we agree on something --- You don't get a gold star for being less bloody stupid than another bloody stupid person when you are still demonstrably bloody stupid. -the final bahamut |