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The atheistic explanation for the origin of the universe

#1C_MatPosted 11/2/2012 10:37:15 AM
I've heard two explanations for the origin of the universe and both were preposterous for obvious reasons: space dust (so where did the space dust come from?) and negative energy (so where did the negative energy come from?).

As a Christian, I believe in the big bang just like everyone else- I just have an explanation for who banged it. Do atheists?

How does something come from nothing, and how does this explanation also account for the fine tuning of the universe?
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#2Hustle KongPosted 11/2/2012 10:38:40 AM
"Fine tuning"? That's term itself doesn't presuppose a ton of crap, does it?
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#3DagorhaPosted 11/2/2012 10:40:09 AM
1. Very few think that something comes from nothing in the truest sense. Most believe that there was some underlying condition. Something infinite but it isn't God and neither is it personable. Something Coming from Nothing is logically incoherent.

2. Fine Tuning? The universe isn't fine tuned for anything.
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#4Hustle KongPosted 11/2/2012 10:41:21 AM
Also, "I don't know" is a much better answer than pulling one out of one's ass, C_Mat.
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#5ThuggernautzPosted 11/2/2012 10:43:24 AM
We don't know if something came from nothing. We don't even know if it's possible for there to be literally nothing.

In fact, define nothing; and show that can be such a thing. I've brought this up before. Even the emptiest of vacuums is seething with energy and virtual particles. Lawrence Krauss has a great lecture about how the inevitable result of this 'quantum nothing', is matter. There's a million different hypotheses about the origin of the universe, of which a creator is but one.

Ultimately, we don't know yet. No-one does.
#6kozlo100Posted 11/2/2012 10:52:33 AM
C_Mat posted...
Do atheists?


This atheist does not, and I'm perfectly comfortable maintaining that position until such time as I have seen enough evidence to be comfortable making some sort of assertion about how the universe began.

Of the ideas I think are promising, one I don't know enough about and I'm not sure anyone does, the other pushes back the question back, possibly into a realm that would make it fundamentally unknowable. None involve deities.

I also do not believe the universe is 'fine tuned' for human life, or indeed tuned in any sense at all.
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#7KwancahiPosted 11/2/2012 10:54:33 AM
how does this explanation also account for the fine tuning of the universe?

What fine tuning?
#8C_Mat(Topic Creator)Posted 11/2/2012 10:59:13 AM
So everyone has basically said, "I don't know, I just don't see sufficient evidence to believe that it was God."

If that's the case, do humans have a purpose?
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#9C_Mat(Topic Creator)Posted 11/2/2012 11:00:33 AM
Kwancahi posted...
how does this explanation also account for the fine tuning of the universe?

What fine tuning?


Hey, last time I tried to have a discussion/debate with you, you stopped responding just as it was getting interesting (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/261-politics/64332652?page=11). I'm not making that mistake again if you're not going to finish what you started.
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#10Faust_8Posted 11/2/2012 11:01:43 AM
Do humans need a purpose or do you just want to have one?
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