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Christian extremists hoping for the rapture are a sad lot

#31OrangeWizardPosted 11/17/2012 1:33:28 PM
From: JonWood007 | #018
This makes your prophecy timeless


I wasn't aware prophecies had to come with a time limit.
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#32JonWood007Posted 11/17/2012 2:18:30 PM
OrangeWizard posted...
From: JonWood007 | #018
This makes your prophecy timeless


I wasn't aware prophecies had to come with a time limit.


If you want your prophecy to mean something, you'll want it to be specific. A prophecy that says "on January 25, 2014 at 8:45 PM, aliens will invade earth starting at Moscow Russia" means a lot more than "Jesus is coming back some time guyz....except we don't know when....and even though we say it will be soon....1000 years may equal a day for God...and it might not happen for thousands of years...and we might still be waiting for it when the sun is expanding and engulfing the earth 4 billion years from now....so be prepared!" This is known as being intentionally vague...and not to mention the clues in the text imply a more immediate date...to say it means "the generation in which it will happen" is one of those examples of mental acrobatics I always keep talking about....it didn't happen so you need to change your story...and the Bible was written while the story was changing, which is why paul had to address the thessalonians....the immediate prophecy wasn't happening so they had to rationalized it and change their story and all in order to make their prophecy still valid. Kinda like how your own organization, the Jehovah's Witnesses screwed up in 1914 and 1975 and still think the end will happen.

The more exact a prophecy is, the more easy it is to falsify....the more vague it is...the more valid it seems...but at the same time it doesn't really predict anything and keeps people guessing for a long long time. The Biblical prophecy, when you ignore/rationalize the clues I mentioned, makes it timeless, vague, and unfalsifiable even though it will likely never happen.
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#33Burning_WolfXPosted 11/17/2012 2:28:23 PM
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#34OrangeWizardPosted 11/17/2012 6:35:01 PM
From: JonWood007 | #020
If you want your prophecy to mean something, you'll want it to be specific


It is specific.

When you see X happening, Z will not die before Y happens.
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#35JonWood007Posted 11/17/2012 7:33:03 PM
^^But your mental maneuvering with it makes it so vague it could apply to ANY generation, even one that will not exist for thousands, if not millions of years. It completely makes the point of the prophecy pointless. Why even say it? This is why I think jesus meant his generation.
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#36DarkContractorPosted 11/17/2012 7:58:09 PM
I thought, correct me if I'm mistaken, that the Rapture, assuming it will happen (I believe so), cannot happen until everyone on Earth has heard of Christ (not accepted, but heard of)
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#37JonWood007Posted 11/17/2012 8:14:39 PM
^^Just googled it, there is some scripture that may support that Matthew 24:14, but I'm still skeptical.
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#38DarkContractorPosted 11/17/2012 8:33:26 PM
just looked at it, seemed pretty clear cut. Not sure how you'd dismiss that if you believe in the Rapture
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#39SuibomPosted 11/17/2012 8:35:59 PM
DarkContractor posted...
I thought, correct me if I'm mistaken, that the Rapture, assuming it will happen (I believe so), cannot happen until everyone on Earth has heard of Christ (not accepted, but heard of)


Yes, and that is completed beforehand by the two witnesses, the three angels, and the Body of Christ as laid out in Revelation 11:1-14 and 14:6-11
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#40JonWood007Posted 11/17/2012 8:42:39 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_eschatology

Nothing with the end times is clear. So many different schools of thought. Personally, I think it was originally meant for the generation jesus was speaking to due to the clues throughout the text, with some backtalking and rationalizations when it did not happen. Once again, I find it hard to swallow for it to happen 2000 years later....most of the prophecies that tend to suggest that seem intentonially vague. Perhaps I need to brush up on eschatology more. Oh well, I'm listening to these yale lectures on it, eventually I'll do NT and I'll figure it out then. Cant hurt to refresh myself on it.
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