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Will someone tell me what exactly a "Jew" is

#21SCAMaz0n(Topic Creator)Posted 11/27/2012 9:55:26 AM
ugh. I must have been half awake when I wrote the topic's title.

Will someone tell me what exactly determines if someone is "Jewish" or not

better.
Now...

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
About Matrilineal Descent

Many people have asked me why traditional Judaism uses matrilineal descent to determine Jewish status, when in all other things (tribal affiliation, priestly status, royalty, etc.) we use patrilineal descent.

The Torah does not specifically state anywhere that matrilineal descent should be used; however, there are several passages in the Torah where it is understood that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is a Jew, and several other passages where it is understood that the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not a Jew.

In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says "he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others." No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being "among the community of Israel" (i.e., a Jew).

On the other hand, in Ezra 10:2-3, the Jews returning to Israel vowed to put aside their non-Jewish wives and the children born to those wives. They could not have put aside those children if those children were Jews.

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Wonderful! Three (two from my vantage point) brief verses from the Torah (Hebrew Bible) and a decision is made. Only children born to women who are Jews can be Jewish. The fathers don't count.

I was being sarcastic, btw.
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#22bsballa09Posted 11/27/2012 10:56:57 AM
Why do you even care? You believe all Jews come from Khazars anyway
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#23SCAMaz0n(Topic Creator)Posted 11/28/2012 5:31:06 AM
bsballa09 posted...
Why do you even care? You believe all Jews come from Khazars anyway

u don't know the differences between trolling and an honest question :\
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#24mercuryinkPosted 11/28/2012 12:04:48 PM
An ethnic Jew is someone whose ancestry can be traced back to one of the major Jewish ethnicities, that is, Ashkenazim, Sephardim, etc.
A Halakhic Jew, that is, a Jew according to Jewish law, is either someone whose mother was a Jew (and who hasn't actively converted to another faith), or a convert.

/topic.
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#25TheRealJiraiyaPosted 11/28/2012 12:18:18 PM
SCAMaz0n posted...
Wonderful! Three (two from my vantage point) brief verses from the Torah (Hebrew Bible) and a decision is made. Only children born to women who are Jews can be Jewish. The fathers don't count.

I was being sarcastic, btw.


There is more to Judaism than the Torah. My understanding is that the Talmud backs up the perspective indicated in the Torah on this pretty clearly.

Skip down to 68b for the Gemara, but the Mishnah excerpt that discusses this is up in 66b

http://halakhah.com/pdf/nashim/Kiddushin.pdf
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#26SIytherinPosted 12/2/2012 2:49:54 AM
From: charey | #003
A Jew is either someone of Israeli decent or someone who follows the Jewish religion.


Israel was created in the 1940s and then was open to massive worldwide immigration by Jews.
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#27mercuryinkPosted 12/3/2012 11:32:06 AM
Why this topic wasn't three posts long, tops, Whacko and one or two Jews answering, is beyond me.
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#28bsballa09Posted 12/3/2012 6:47:33 PM
Israel was created in the 1940s and then was open to massive worldwide immigration by Jews.

Pretty sure he meant Israelite.
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#29SCAMaz0n(Topic Creator)Posted 12/7/2012 4:47:28 AM
As i posted an honest question (obviously that attempt at an honest question on the 3DS board was a bitter fail) I expected an honest answer.

Let me break those two words down.

honest: Not implying dishonesty
answer: A reply

Now maybe I'm a simpleton but I was hoping for non-dishonest replies on this thread. It's kind of like asking "Hey, I heard it might rain later. Do you think I'll need an umbrella outside right now? And the person is about to go for a short walk outside. Not an hour long walk.

*sigh

Well, as (un) expected I get a bunch of responses I wasn't hoping for.

So I shall re-ask (although it was answered by TRJ and I find the answer is not so bad. Thought it could be worse) what do YOU, if you know of Jewish law and ancestry, think a Jew is?
Further broken down:
Your opinion, is it based on The Law or is it based on liberal/conservative views that are not necessarily part of The Law?

Just like there is a debate starting to rage (and very good so, because it must!) that Likud should not be putting Jewish settlements into areas that are part of the West Bank, there should always be debate about things that are a matter of personal opinion.

I'm an Old Testament believer myself. Because Jesus and his story are so full of contrivances and liberties with the truth, it's hard to get a firm grasp on what he wants.

^^A Jewish Rabbi forced me to write all of this, I swear.
(inside joke guys, don't take that offensively).
mercuryink posted...
Why this topic wasn't three posts long, tops, Whacko and one or two Jews answering, is beyond me.

and your 2 posts bumped that up to 5. Thank you.
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#30mercuryinkPosted 12/7/2012 2:45:51 PM
mercuryink posted...
An ethnic Jew is someone whose ancestry can be traced back to one of the major Jewish ethnicities, that is, Ashkenazim, Sephardim, etc.
A Halakhic Jew, that is, a Jew according to Jewish law, is either someone whose mother was a Jew (and who hasn't actively converted to another faith), or a convert.

/topic.


My, are you painful.
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