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Jesus fulfilling the law and Matthew 5:18

#31Polish_CrusaderPosted 12/5/2012 8:19:52 PM
Romans 7:6

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#32Kaiser1one(Topic Creator)Posted 12/6/2012 12:44:23 PM
It sounds more like that verse ^^^ contradicts Mat 5:18.
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#33CS_Goodman_Posted 12/10/2012 9:20:59 AM(edited)
Ok how do these 2 coincide with each other? Jesus is supposed to have fulfilled the (OT?) law by sacrificing himself to himself so he could redeem us whilst bringing himself back to life. Thus making the OT rules obsolete. But then you've got the above verse which sounds more like it's not letting it go until more is done.


Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Matt. 5.17-18)

Jesus' "heaven and earth" is a political metaphor referring to kingdoms, governments and their relative societal/cultural matrices, and is related to his prediction of the Temple's destruction in a generation. The verse is stating that the Old Covenant will remain contractually binding until the dissolution of the Jewish powers that be. Putting it another way: Although Jesus' atonement makes the New Covenant effectual, its inauguration awaits the upheaval of Jerusalem and its Temple in a generation, which event will vindicate Jesus as prophet and covenant broker.
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#34CaptainKOPosted 12/10/2012 9:24:55 AM
Kaiser1one posted...
Matthew 5:18

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Ok how do these 2 coincide with each other? Jesus is supposed to have fulfilled the (OT?) law by sacrificing himself to himself so he could redeem us whilst bringing himself back to life. Thus making the OT rules obsolete. But then you've got the above verse which sounds more like it's not letting it go until more is done.

Expansions are welcome from all. And please keep the jargon to a minimal....I hate when Christian's talk almost cryptic in their wordings.

I'll admit I'm not a seasoned atheist, but some of the stuff my christian friends say just makes me go, "wtf?"


No, he didn't fulfill the law.
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#35CaptainKOPosted 12/10/2012 9:31:47 AM
LastManStanding posted...
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Basically thanks to Christ who fulfilled it. Christ had over 600 whip marks on the body, most likely for each of the 613 laws of Moses


Except he didn't.
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#36CaptainKOPosted 12/10/2012 9:32:58 AM
TheRealJiraiya posted...
LinkFanatic posted...
TheRealJiraiya posted...
In a nutshell, the Old Covenant is still hanging around.


Where does that leave the New Covenant?


The New Covenant is the correct path and the covenant that Christians are part of, but God still has a covenant with the Jewish People, which will be fulfilled permanently in the end of days by the taking of folks from each of the 12 tribes to the New Earth. Essentially, I read this verse as saying "I have not forgotten you, Jews".

Or that is how I will read it, once I feel confident in this interpretation.


No, it's not the correct path.
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#37CaptainKOPosted 12/10/2012 9:34:11 AM
LastManStanding posted...
Yeah do not ignore any scriptures, but know that law of Moses was fulfilled by Christ, just the law


Except that's not what that line was saying.
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