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Refuting the Flying Spaghetti Monster when someone uses it like this.

#71almasbabyPosted 2/5/2013 7:53:05 AM
I'm sorry you find it insulting, but I find the idea that there's mentally something wrong with me because I don't accept your religion to be pretty insulting, too.

I said it was a stupid frat joke. I didn't say anything was mentally wrong with the geniuses who came up with it.
#72Far421Posted 2/5/2013 7:57:42 AM
almasbaby posted...
To be entirely frank, if your position is no more supported by evidence than the FSM, then your belief is what's nothing to be respected, regardless of how serious you are about it.

But I'm not imposing my faith on you. Why would you go out of your way to make a mockery of it?


1. Someone is certainly trying to impose Christian beliefs on others.

2. To show you that your methodology is not useful for finding truth.

3. So that others who see might be made aware of how absurd your beliefs are, thereby avoiding them and the hideous implications they have and attitudes they breed, assuming you're a kind of Christian I've heard about before.'

Need I go on?
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#73lastheroPosted 2/5/2013 8:04:42 AM
almasbaby posted...
I'm sorry you find it insulting, but I find the idea that there's mentally something wrong with me because I don't accept your religion to be pretty insulting, too.

I said it was a stupid frat joke. I didn't say anything was mentally wrong with the geniuses who came up with it.


I didn't say you did say that. I said that, in my experience, the people who the FSM are used against say that.
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#74almasbabyPosted 2/5/2013 8:05:56 AM
1. Someone is certainly trying to impose Christian beliefs on others.

I'm not part of the Christian right who want to politicize their beliefs. If the FSM is a direct response to them I concede you have a case. But I suspect it's just to make a mockery of faith in general.

2. To show you that your methodology is not useful for finding truth.

Maybe for you it's not. Obviously.

3. So that others who see might be made aware of how absurd your beliefs are, thereby avoiding them and the hideous implications they have and attitudes they breed, assuming you're a kind of Christian I've heard about before.'

They need a Flying Spaghetti Monster for this? You've provided an invaluable service to the atheist community.
#75fudrickPosted 2/5/2013 8:16:09 AM
almasbaby posted...
I'm not part of the Christian right who want to politicize their beliefs. If the FSM is a direct response to them I concede you have a case. But I suspect it's just to make a mockery of faith in general.


The FSM was invented as a direct response to christians attempting to force creationist curriculum into science classrooms. This has been pointed out multiple times. You are wrong.

almasbaby posted...
Maybe for you it's not. Obviously.


Truth is not relative to the individual
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#76Joe605Posted 2/5/2013 10:16:25 AM
almasbaby posted...
To be entirely frank, if your position is no more supported by evidence than the FSM, then your belief is what's nothing to be respected, regardless of how serious you are about it.

But I'm not imposing my faith on you. Why would you go out of your way to make a mockery of it?


Because your faith influences the way you operate, and the way you teach others you may have authority over to operate.

When you teach children that unquestioning faith is a good thing, you make the world safe for the Osama bin Ladens of the planet, and that is unacceptable. He wasn't a crazy, psychopathic murderer, he was just faithful.

Your faith teaches us to be content with not understanding how the world works, and that is also unacceptable.

Your faith teaches that those who do good deeds should do so because they expect a reward, and that if you don't do good deeds you will be punished severely. It does not breed people that wish to perform good works out of kindness, but rather with the expectation of reward. That is also unacceptable.

Your faith preys on fear, and specifically targets children before they have even come remotely close to gaining the ability to think things through for themselves. Religion is like circumcision, If you wait until people are 21 before you tell them about it, not too many people are going to be enthusiastic about it.

I go out of my way to make a mockery of your faith because your faith doesn't deserve anything but mockery, it does a ton of harm to people all over the world, both physically and mentally, and its stranglehold on the world is unbelievably tight. Truth is indeed not relative to the individual.
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#77Joe605Posted 2/5/2013 10:22:33 AM
And calling it a stupid frat joke doesn't negate its validity in any way, shape, or form.
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#78almasbabyPosted 2/5/2013 12:59:57 PM
Because your faith influences the way you operate, and the way you teach others you may have authority over to operate.

I've never encountered a boss in my life who demanded anything of me based on their faith, or any teachers either.

When you teach children that unquestioning faith is a good thing, you make the world safe for the Osama bin Ladens of the planet, and that is unacceptable. He wasn't a crazy, psychopathic murderer, he was just faithful.

Well, I think his faith is perverted. He obviously cherry picked verses from the koran to justify his actions. Many peace loving Muslims think he's a psychopathic murderer the same as you do. Aren't you just sterotyping the faithful, painting us all with a negative image that suits you? And I don't think unquestioning faith is a good thing. If your reason has led you to atheism, fine, go your merry way with it. What law is preventing you?

Your faith teaches us to be content with not understanding how the world works, and that is also unacceptable.

Quite a few scientists were and are people of faith.

Your faith teaches that those who do good deeds should do so because they expect a reward, and that if you don't do good deeds you will be punished severely. It does not breed people that wish to perform good works out of kindness, but rather with the expectation of reward. That is also unacceptable.

Actually, many people of faith believe that it's what's in your heart that matters, not in the deed.

Your faith preys on fear, and specifically targets children before they have even come remotely close to gaining the ability to think things through for themselves. Religion is like circumcision, If you wait until people are 21 before you tell them about it, not too many people are going to be enthusiastic about it.

This is the first lesson I learned as a Catholic. Who made me? God made me. Why? Because he loves me. I was also taught that Jesus loves the little children. I felt real good about that.

I go out of my way to make a mockery of your faith because your faith doesn't deserve anything but mockery, it does a ton of harm to people all over the world, both physically and mentally, and its stranglehold on the world is unbelievably tight. Truth is indeed not relative to the individual.

If faith did all the harm you say there wouldn't be so much of it in the world. People would have abandoned it in droves. They turn to their faith not to harm one another but to find peace through their relationship with God.
#79lastheroPosted 2/5/2013 1:16:07 PM
If faith did all the harm you say there wouldn't be so much of it in the world. People would have abandoned it in droves. They turn to their faith not to harm one another but to find peace through their relationship with God.


If tobacco did all the harm you say there wouldn't be so much of it in the world. People would have abandoned it in droves. They turn to smoking not to harm one another but to find peace through...smoking

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Yeah. Not to say that religion is all that harmful, but saying it's not simply because a lot of people do it doesn't really work. Lots of people do lots of things that, in the long run, aren't that good for the or people around. It doesn't make them good just because they're popular.
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#80hunter_gohanPosted 2/5/2013 3:39:56 PM
Systemafunk posted...
Please don't disparage Lovecraft or Sesame Street. Thx.

I think it's more like mixing Stir Fry and Ice Cream. Alone they're both great, but together, not so much...


idk. I wouldn't really mind watching a gritty lovecraftian reboot of Sesame Street. You could have the Count go around eating people "One human, hahaha. Two humans, hahaha."
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