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From: Gegengegengegen | Posted: 1/29/2013 11:56:23 AM | #005
Atheism, was by and large, psychologically impossible up until the 17th-18th centuries.
Yeah, I don't think so.
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From: Gegengegengegen | Posted: 1/29/2013 11:56:23 AM | #005Atheism, was by and large, psychologically impossible up until the 17th-18th centuries.
this is a much better source than wikipedia.
No, I don't think plugging an unknowable or purely speculative answer into a gap is either a good or helpful thing to do.
I am perfectly fine and humble enough to say "We don't know yet" in regards to conditions prior to the big bang. Just plugging an answer in because it makes you feel comfortable is about the worst thing you could do if you are seeking truth and confirmation of observation. Not only that, but it further dissuades yourself (and others, if the idea is spread) from seeking further knowledge.
I've used this example before, but Newton was working on some calculations (the three body problem I believe) which he started, but then deemed them only solvable or achievable by God. If he had stuck with it a bit longer, he probably would have figured it out as others did less than a century after his death.
Intuition isn't reliable. So my point still stands. Just because people who lived 3000 years ago thought something was real with conviction doesn't mean it is.
What about your personal mental faculties made you able to realize God doesn't exist?
Mind you I was an atheist for a number of years. I've read up on my physics. I know the Big Bang was a rapid manifestation of spatial dimension. I know physics breaks down at Plank's Length, but that there is active research into what happened prior to this. I'm familiar with Evolution, various modes of selection, game theory, that not one fossil has ever been found in the wrong strata, etc. I'm familiar with Minkowski space, linear algebra's influence over the formulation of Matrix Mechanics to Quantum Mechanics. I'm fully aware of how intuition breaks down at small and big scales. I'm familiar with computational complexity, recursion, lambda-calculus, programming. I'm not living in some dark, pre-science bubble.
But for some reason, despite everything I know about modern science, I'm Christian and you aren't. So where did I go wrong, that you went right?
It's not about figuring things out, and using God to fill the gaps in knowledge that future generations will acquire. It's about making a connection, a living connection with a living God, returning to the source from which you came. I'm driven in this. I'm not trying to understand how the universe works. I'm trying to find my way back home.
I'm sorry that you feel lost and disconnected from this ethereal something, but not all of us feel that way.
I don't feel totally lost. I've made the connection in the past. It's just not as solid as it once was. But, for me, it's something well worth aspiring toward, again and again. I guess we're just on different wavelengths. At least I seem to have made my position clear on where I stand. But please, don't look down upon me with sympathy as if I'm suffering from a plight that you've been spared. I don't consider it that heavy a load, and when I do make that connection, I consider myself blessed.
JonWood007 posted...Intuition isn't reliable. So my point still stands. Just because people who lived 3000 years ago thought something was real with conviction doesn't mean it is.
The real question is not whether we can get to the bottom of it scientifically, but whether alternate ways of "knowing" are actually reliable. I have my doubts. I don't see this as prideful at all. If anything, scholars are some of the most humble people around when they do their thing correctly. They are very cautious in making claims, and try to rule out every other possible explanation.
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