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Question about Christianity \ Jesus and laws created by man.

#1EDlFlCATlONPosted 1/30/2013 3:15:12 PM
Looking for advice here. Hopefully it's a simple answer.

How does Jesus \ Christianity work regarding laws created by man? Are laws created by man supported by God and those laws should be followed? Or is it only the things that Christ taught that are important?

I know he says Give unto Caeser what it Caeser's but then Jesus pretty much spent his entire life going against the establishment so I do'nt know what to believe.
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#2C_MatPosted 1/30/2013 3:44:58 PM
Christianity says, I think (because I couldn't cite the chapter and verse for you right now), that you should obey the legal/ceremonial laws of the land as long as they don't conflict with the moral laws of God. For example, the Bible may not say, "Highway 59 should have a speed limit of 55 MPH," but I still think God expects you to obey HWY 59's speed limit established by your authorities (and of course, giving highways a speed limit doesn't conflict with anything in the Bible).
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#3C_MatPosted 1/30/2013 3:45:18 PM(edited)
EDIT: accidental double-post
#4Moorish_IdolPosted 1/30/2013 4:13:23 PM
Romans 13

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is Godís servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are Godís servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

In other words, people are elected only if God allows them to be -- therefore, it is wrong to disobey them as that would be disobeying God by proxy.
#5EDlFlCATlON(Topic Creator)Posted 1/30/2013 4:28:47 PM
Moorish_Idol posted...
Romans 13

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is Godís servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are Godís servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

In other words, people are elected only if God allows them to be -- therefore, it is wrong to disobey them as that would be disobeying God by proxy.


Everyone who is elected? Even Hitler as example?

Also I seem to remember one part where Jesus says it's ok to steal food from a field when his followers were hungry. Even though that was against the law?
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#6Moorish_IdolPosted 1/30/2013 4:33:07 PM(edited)
That chapter doesn't really leave much room for exceptions. There really isn't any other way to interpret it either -- so yeah, I guess is some strange way, even Hitler was allowed into office by God.

Then again I'm not a Christian, so maybe they can try to explain it better.
#7Lord_IchmaelPosted 1/30/2013 5:19:51 PM
In my experience, what God thinks is law is what whoever the person talking about it thinks law should be.
#8C_MatPosted 1/30/2013 8:27:22 PM
Just because God allowed Hitler to come into power doesn't mean Hitler was God's puppet, and it definitely doesn't mean that what Hitler did was God's plan. Hitler was a human being just like the rest of us, and made his own free choices.
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#9FlashOfLightPosted 1/30/2013 11:10:14 PM
EDlFlCATlON posted...
Everyone who is elected? Even Hitler as example?


God gives leaders according to the desires and wishes of the people ->

1 Samuel 8:7-9

"And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them."

And this saying is not in the Bible, but it gets the same message across "What you want is what you get."
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#10FlashOfLightPosted 1/30/2013 11:34:30 PM
There are many current democratic countries, who achieved their democracy through much trial, bloodshed, and opposition, and yet newer generations that come up through political parties, want to revert those countries back to socialist-republics, or communist regimes.

In contrast, there are many current socialist and communist countries who had the previous generations go all out for Marxist and or Leninist ideals, but that with their newer generations strive, and call out for democracy.

Now Christ says concerning such matters, of what the people desire ->

Luke 18:1-7

"And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;
Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:

And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.
And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;

Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?"

There are many things that can be said about has been witnessed on earth in the 20th Century alone, the struggles that Spain had, from its Civil War, to its years under Franco, to being re-instituted to a constitutional monarchy, the conflicts in Island States that were heavy under the yoke of British and French rule, and how they gained independence after much crying out.

The divisions of states that were once one people, seen in this 21st Century most recently with South Sudan, and the ongoing contentions that the people of Cyprus have against the Turks, and Russia's desire to keep their old territories while those territories seek to have their own constitution. All of these things eventually have to be addressed, and God does do so, as Christ said.
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