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The Skeptic's Bible

#1almasbabyPosted 2/2/2013 3:03:19 AM
It's so funny to see how a skeptic approaches the bible. So clueless. So bewildered. So amusing.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
#2JonWood007Posted 2/2/2013 10:24:04 AM
It makes some valid points, but yeah, it's not really the best of sources. Still, it's not good to totally discount it.

oyc.yale.edu

If you want to get a good resource on the Bible, check out Yale's free courses on the matter.
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#3Lord_IchmaelPosted 2/2/2013 11:26:24 AM
What's the problem with it? I think only a few of the things it lists are stretching it a bit.
#4JonWood007Posted 2/2/2013 11:40:53 AM
Its point of view is a bit overly aggressive, admittedly. It kinda has an agenda...

I still use it to prove a point though.
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#5almasbaby(Topic Creator)Posted 2/2/2013 12:00:28 PM
It's like taking one of Tolstoy's novels and ripping it apart for whatever plotholes are in it, completely disregarding that its a work of art. The bible is an allegory of a people and their god, the rewards that are there's if they remain faithful and the consequences if they don't. The minds that put it together are among the greatest storytellers that ever lived.

When you read the bible you shouldn't treat it as a poorly researched historical document or a tale of morality, but as the story of a relationship between a father and his childeren, how the father is forever by their side. So long as they obey his law they have nothing to fear and no enemy can stand against them. He is their father protector and righteous judge. If you don't pick up on this while reading the bible you've completely missed the point of it.
#6_Rasl3rX_Posted 2/2/2013 12:08:15 PM
that does nothing to verify its validity.

also, 2 Peter 1:16. Luke 1:1-3

the authors of the Gospel say to treat it as a historical document.

if we assume that anytime God leaves us its just a trial to sharpen faith... then yeah. unfalsifible,
#7JonWood007Posted 2/2/2013 12:08:31 PM
Well, ok, here's my perspective. It's an important cultural document, yes. It explains an ancient worldview that still persists today, yes. Should we take it seriously? No more than greek myths.

The reason you have people picking the Bible apart like that is because you have people who actually take the freaking thing literally. It's kind of a response to some of the more ignorant comments made by believers (ie, God is perfect, ie, the Bible never contradicts itself, etc.). The thing is, people set it up as the words of a perfect omnipotent, benevolent, omniscient being, and those kinds of attacks are a counter to that, and it's valid. The Bible is wrong on a lot of things, the god in it clearly is not perfect by conventional definitions(only weird definitions OW will try to force upon you), and these kinds of attacks are meant to attack the fact that people see the thing as perfect.

Does skeptics annotated take things out of context? Maybe, but so do Christians when you really come down to it. The real Bible, as it was written, and with its original intentions, are nothing like what Christians believe. Skeptics annotated is an immature counter to an immature Christian worldview.

Again, you want a more objective look, look into those open yale courses on the subject. They're free, the lectures are audio you can find online, etc.
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#8Lord_IchmaelPosted 2/2/2013 12:36:04 PM
almasbaby posted...
It's like taking one of Tolstoy's novels and ripping it apart for whatever plotholes are in it, completely disregarding that its a work of art. The bible is an allegory of a people and their god, the rewards that are there's if they remain faithful and the consequences if they don't. The minds that put it together are among the greatest storytellers that ever lived.

When you read the bible you shouldn't treat it as a poorly researched historical document or a tale of morality, but as the story of a relationship between a father and his childeren, how the father is forever by their side. So long as they obey his law they have nothing to fear and no enemy can stand against them. He is their father protector and righteous judge. If you don't pick up on this while reading the bible you've completely missed the point of it.


If it really was the word of a perfect God, it wouldn't have anything contradictory or questionable by any reasonable person. Yes, it's a work of art, but that doesn't make it any different than other mythology.
#9almasbaby(Topic Creator)Posted 2/2/2013 12:38:38 PM
It's a tale of tragedy and betrayal. In it God is a perfect being of kindness who has created a world where his children have everything they could hope for. Instead of showing some gratitude they turn against him, disobey his law, and worship false idols. The stage is set for the greatest story of redemption and reconciliation ever written. If you don't read the bible in this spirit you've missed the beautiful drama that unfolds.

So what if people take it literally. What they really need to take from the bible is the message that God's love continues no matter how much we turn against or away from him. His nature is love and he will do all he can to set us straight. Some of his actions may appear cruel, but they're harsh lessons that show he is the master of life and death. He wants nobody to mistake who he is and what the extent of his power is.
#10Dathrowed1Posted 2/2/2013 12:59:07 PM
Jon, the Yale courses are not an impartial source. The basis for the arguments they present are born from higher criticism, Christians who didn't believe the bible was God's word.
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