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Never understood why Christians value free will over safety from threat of Hell.

#31LunarAmbience(Topic Creator)Posted 2/5/2013 9:32:52 AM
From: OrangeWizard | #029
What followed was "what [you] gathered from that".

That wasn't a point, that was "what you gathered from that".

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From: inferiorweasel | #030
Why should god prevent the evils of the world? Are they not commited by man?

Why should God enable evil if he doesn't want evil?
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#32SpawnShadowPosted 2/5/2013 10:55:53 AM
inferiorweasel posted...
Why should god prevent the evils of the world? Are they not commited by man?


Because doing so would reward his followers?
Because doing so would keep people from breaking the rules that he created with the intention to protect other people?
Because doing so would validate people's faith in his existence?
Because doing so would actually be useful to humanity as a whole?
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#33OrangeWizardPosted 2/6/2013 2:30:18 PM
From: SpawnShadow | #032
Because doing so would reward his followers?


"Come worship God and get free physical benefits!"
That's not what God wants.

Because doing so would keep people from breaking the rules that he created with the intention to protect other people?


Preventing evil would keep people from breaking rules, yes. But free will must also exist, so how do you suppose to stop people from breaking rules, and yet allowing them free will?

Because doing so would validate people's faith in his existence?


That would defeat the purpose of faith.

Because doing so would actually be useful to humanity as a whole?


Useful like a star is to Mario.
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#34dkcprjePosted 2/6/2013 4:03:06 PM
From: OrangeWizard | #033
But free will must also exist

Prove it.
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#35OrangeWizardPosted 2/6/2013 5:32:26 PM
From: dkcprje | #034
Prove it.



Assuming God exists, and sets the rules, God wants us to have free will because he made us that way. He wants people who will willingly obey him, not those who are forced to obey him. He could have easily made a bunch of robots that follow his every command, but he didn't. Even the angels have the ability to rebel.
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#36dkcprjePosted 2/6/2013 5:55:37 PM
From: OrangeWizard | #035
God wants us to have free will

Prove it.
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#37DrAlbertBanduraPosted 2/6/2013 6:06:41 PM
Also assuming free will exists. Also assuming God doesn't wants us to have free will so that we willfully "disobey" him.
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#38OrangeWizardPosted 2/6/2013 6:42:56 PM
From: dkcprje | #036
From: OrangeWizard | #035
God wants us to have free will

Prove it.


Would you take the bible as proof, or would you ask me to prove the Bible? Would you ask me to prove the existence of God? Because eventually, I'll just say "No".

I cannot prove anything about God's actions or desires. They are all derived from the bible. I cannot prove why God made us bipedal, or why we have only one heart. I cannot prove that he wasn't forced at gunpoint into creating us this way.

From: DrAlbertBandura | #037
Also assuming God doesn't wants us to have free will so that we willfully "disobey" him.


What?
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#39DrAlbertBanduraPosted 2/6/2013 7:22:45 PM(edited)
Hey, man. Just so long as we're assuming ****.

Because our "disobeying" may actually be exciting to him. Like the masochist who says, "Beat me, beat me," and the sadist who replies "No."

He may actually get a little tickle, a slight, uh... metaphysical jolly when humans disobey him.

I'm saying it may pleasure him... sexually.
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#40OrangeWizardPosted 2/6/2013 7:28:08 PM
From: DrAlbertBandura | #039
Because our "disobeying" may actually be exciting to him.


Yeah. It may be.

But we can't prove it one way or the other.
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