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Never understood why Christians value free will over safety from threat of Hell.

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2 years ago#41
So then say God may want simultaneously for us to obey and disobey. Given that it's just as plausible and makes just about as much sense.
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2 years ago#42
From: DrAlbertBandura | #041
So then say God may want simultaneously for us to obey and disobey. Given that it's just as plausible and makes just about as much sense.


Except that it isn't as plausible and doesn't make as much sense, since the bible says that he does want us to obey.
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2 years ago#43
JonWood007 posted...
Free will means little when you're punished with eternal torment for using it.


Topic should have ended here.
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2 years ago#44
From: Lord Lu Bu | #043
JonWood007 posted...
Free will means little when you're punished with eternal torment for using it.


Topic should have ended here.


Except not all of us even believe in hell.
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2 years ago#45
From: OrangeWizard | #042
Except that it isn't as plausible and doesn't make as much sense,

In your assessment.

since the bible says that he does want us to obey.

The Bible is just used to perpetuate the sick, secret desire of this God.
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2 years ago#46
From: DrAlbertBandura | #045
The Bible is just used to perpetuate the sick, secret desire of this God.


Sure.

But then, nobody else is assuming the things you're assuming, so you're on your own
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2 years ago#47
Hey, man. We're just making theories up that fit right now. Might as well go with any of them that aren't inconsistent.
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2 years ago#48
"You're a mad man. You've been born with the uncontrollable impulse to steal, murder, binge, adulterate, rape, and every other God-awful thing I can imagine giving you the ability to do. But I'm going to sit here and tell you that, and pay attention because there's no proof of this whatsoever, you can choose to believe in me and not do all those things and I'll let you into my awesome treehouse of fun; or you can do all those impulse things I just told you that you have because you have these urges that I gave you, but I'm going to blame you for all of it and then I'm going to send you to the worst detention you can imagine, there will be shrieking and burning and hacking forever and ever and ever (but I love you). Okay? So I'm going to release the restraints now. Please mind all the dangerous implements I've left around the room. Ciao!"
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2 years ago#49
From: DrAlbertBandura | #047
Hey, man. We're just making theories up that fit right now.


Well, that's what you're doing.


From: dkcprje | #048
"You're a mad man. You've been born with the uncontrollable impulse to steal, murder, binge, adulterate, rape, and every other God-awful thing I can imagine giving you the ability to do. But I'm going to sit here and tell you that, and pay attention because there's no proof of this whatsoever, you can choose to believe in me and not do all those things and I'll let you into my awesome treehouse of fun; or you can do all those impulse things I just told you that you have because you have these urges that I gave you, but I'm going to blame you for all of it and then I'm going to send you to the worst detention you can imagine, there will be shrieking and burning and hacking forever and ever and ever (but I love you). Okay? So I'm going to release the restraints now. Please mind all the dangerous implements I've left around the room. Ciao!"


Welcome to the angstheist movement! Will you be staying long?
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2 years ago#50
From: OrangeWizard | #049
Welcome to the angstheist movement! Will you be staying long?

Angstheist? Angs-theist? Angsty theist. That's what I get from that. I'm not a theist, thank you though!
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