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So banning God from school allows things like Clumbine and Newtown...
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This was from a Facebook post I saw floating around: COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!! --- Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sort of good at something. | |
"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. --- Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sort of good at something. | |
so why does he believe Genesis is real but not believe the whole death thing is because of our sins and God won't let us die if we still got stuff left to do on Earth and thou shall not kill and turn the other cheek thing? --- An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. | |
he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! Um...you don't have to, because no such law EVER existed. I swear, I don't get what people like this are complaining about. You can pray in school. If anyone ever stopped - not that you can really stop someone from praying, since you can do it simply by thinking, really - they would be breaking the law, not you. --- X-Men: First Class RPG - Welcoming all new players! [http://s1.zetaboards.com/New_Mutants/index/] | |
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/scott.asp --- "I am going to light a fire in Paradise and pour water on Hell, so that both veils completely vanish." - Rabia Al-'Adawiyya | |
I don't know if this really was from the father of one of the Columbine victims, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's fake (much like the Morgan Freeman quotes floating around after Newtown). There are several issues with this, and, unfortunately, I know too many people that follow this kind of thinking (and, just to be clear, I am not asserting that most Christians believe, but this is the kind of stuff my old community from when I was growing up would believe in). First, of course, is the complete ignorance of the fact that God is not banned from schools, that students are not forbidden to carry and openly read Bibles, wear crosses, pray, or even lead extra-curricular faith-based programs at the school (which, I believe, school officials can lead as well, so long as attendance is not mandated and that the program in no way influences the teacher's evaluation of the student's performance). So many people are unaware of this and think that the rules say absolutely nothing related to God or religion is allowed in schools. But this isn't the biggest issue I want to talk about (if this interests you, go for it, but I suspect this may be an issue already discussed at length on this board). The second issue is the incredible appeal to emotion at the beginning, and the claim that this comes from the father of a Columbine victim seems to make the person who wrote this think it puts him and his message above reproach. Surely it was written in as an excuse to dismiss any voicing dissent as cold and heartless for the plight of the victim's father (of course, if this is really from the victim's father, he's using it as a way to put himself above reproach, and if it's from someone else, that person is using the using the victim's father as a way to put the argument above reproach, both of which are just disgusting). And then there's a somewhat deeper issue that has always bothered me, but which I've never put down into words. Despite the fact taht God has not actually been banned from school, so many people assert that this is what happens when we ban God from schools. This is quite an issue, and none of it really looks favorably on those clamoring to bring religion back into school. First off, there's the ignorance, as stated above. Then there are the other issues. First, if it simply means we need to teach religion or religious beliefs or pray in school or what-not, then it implies that the parents and Church leaders aren't doing enough to instill this faith and religious belief which is, apparently, the only thing keeping kids from scooting up schools. So this is now a failing of these religious people, and they're trying to push it off onto the schools and the government. Now, if they mean God is literally not allowed in schools... then that's restricting God. We're putting limitations on him, which should be impossible for the omnipotent being that created us lowly mortals. We couldn't physically restrict him from schools, so if they're trying to say allowing him in school would have prevented this kind of thing, then we are somehow able to physically limit God... which would be an impressive feat. Or if they mean God is abstaining himself from schools because of these (fictional) laws, then God is being a stubborn oaf refusing to save innocent people because of a law that others (not the victims) put into place. To sum up those three points, either: A) the lack of presence of God creates killers, so parents and religious leaders aren't doing what it takes to keep them from being killers and are pushing the blame on the schools/politicians -or- B) we're somehow physically restricting God from entering our schools -or- C) God is stubborn and won't enter the schools of his own volition because he's stubborn and doesn't like our (fictional) laws. Thoughts? --- Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sort of good at something. | |
Dammit, I had hoped to get that posted before others had time to respond, lol --- Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sort of good at something. | |
Option A from above can also be quite offensive to atheists and others without God in their lives. If they're suggesting the lack of the presence of God is what causes this to happen, then it's saying we're all killers without God and is ignoring the vast numbers of kind-hearted atheists that would never wish harm upon anyone. Also, don't get me started on the quality of that "poem," lol. --- Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sort of good at something. | |
TLDR, but I see this whole line of argument as an incredibly ignorant talking point. Heck, I think a big thing that would stop these kinds of events from happening is to stop publicizing this widely. Since Columbine, we have these kinds of shootings all the time. I think a lot of them do it for attention. They're suicidal, or deranged, or otherwise mentally ill, they want to go out with style, and know the media will talk about them for weeks or more if they go through with it. I fail to see how school prayer impacts these sorts of things. Especially how one of the schools that was shot up once was a private Amish school (don't believe me? look up Nickel Mines). So Amish didn't pray hard enough? --- Desktop: Phenom II X4 965 | 4 GB DDR3 | GTX 580 | 1 TB HD | W7 | 650W Antec | 1600x900 Laptop: A6 3400m | 4 GB DDR3 | HD 6520g | 500 GB HD | W7 | 1366x768 | |
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