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So banning God from school allows things like Clumbine and Newtown...

#31Magyar15Posted 2/6/2013 3:07:32 PM
fudrick posted...
Magyar15 posted...
No, it doesn't. And not allowing people to decorate with religious symbols, to me seems far more to be prohibiting the free exercise of religion, than allowing people to put up religious symbols, does to establish a religion. Because they happen to work on government property seems to be a trivial distinction


Surely you support the right of teachers to decorate their classrooms with Satanic art and objects, right?


Yes. I wouldn't necessarily like it, as it is pretty much by defintion against everything I stand for, but I think they have a right to it, as long as it doesn't distract the students too much
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#32Magyar15Posted 2/6/2013 3:10:36 PM(edited)
fudrick posted...
Magyar15 posted...
There is a big difference between the government forcibly putting the ten commandments in a classroom, and forcibly taking them out...


Heineken didn't say anything about the ten commandments in a classroom. He said something about ten commandments in courts. And that certainly does happen:

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/21/ten.commandments/


Yeah, thats what I meant; I mistyped. Sorry about that. And I don't see anything in the article about the government forcibly putting the monument in in the first place
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#33kozlo100Posted 2/6/2013 3:11:39 PM
It's always down to the details in these things.

You're a teacher, and you want to put up star of David in your locker, or even your cubicle in the back office or whatever? Fine, no problems there.

You want to do it in the classroom, that's a different story. That's not your personal space, it's a space specifically dedicated to a public institution carrying out it's primary function. Things displayed in such a space are deemed to have the implicit approval of the government, hence you can't display religious symbols.
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#34fudrickPosted 2/6/2013 3:12:51 PM
Magyar15 posted...
And I don't see anything in the article about the government forcibly putting the monument in in the first place


How do you think it got there?
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#35Magyar15Posted 2/6/2013 3:13:46 PM
fudrick posted...
Magyar15 posted...
And I don't see anything in the article about the government forcibly putting the monument in in the first place


How do you think it got there?


Someone put it up
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#36kozlo100Posted 2/6/2013 3:15:57 PM
Magyar15 posted...
Someone put it up


And when they did that, they were acting as a representative of the court, and thus the government.
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#37OzymandiasIV(Topic Creator)Posted 2/6/2013 3:16:07 PM
From: Magyar15 | Posted: 2/6/2013 5:21:28 PM | #024
The first doesn't happen, the second does. The ten commandments were put in as decorations by individuals, not as as a mandate by the government. The government mandate came because people have trouble tolerating religion....


And just imagine how ticked off so many Christians would be if we included any kind of Muslim decoration in our courts.
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#38Magyar15Posted 2/6/2013 3:18:12 PM
OzymandiasIV posted...
From: Magyar15 | Posted: 2/6/2013 5:21:28 PM | #024
The first doesn't happen, the second does. The ten commandments were put in as decorations by individuals, not as as a mandate by the government. The government mandate came because people have trouble tolerating religion....


And just imagine how ticked off so many Christians would be if we included any kind of Muslim decoration in our courts.


I'd be ok with it. If a Muslim judge wanted to put in an Islamic decoration in his court, I wouldn't oppose him. To me, it would show that he is trying to uphold the highest standards of justice
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#39OzymandiasIV(Topic Creator)Posted 2/6/2013 3:18:53 PM
From: Magyar15 | Posted: 2/6/2013 6:13:46 PM | #035
fudrick posted...
Magyar15 posted...
And I don't see anything in the article about the government forcibly putting the monument in in the first place


How do you think it got there?


Someone put it up


Yeah, someone just put it up without any kind of approval process by the courts, right...
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#40OzymandiasIV(Topic Creator)Posted 2/6/2013 3:21:11 PM
From: Magyar15 | Posted: 2/6/2013 6:18:12 PM | #038
I'd be ok with it. If a Muslim judge wanted to put in an Islamic decoration in his court, I wouldn't oppose him. To me, it would show that he is trying to uphold the highest standards of justice


Good for you. I wasn't addressing you specifically, and you're hardly representative of the people of this country as a whole...

But, what if his highest standards of justice, which are now apparently represented by his Muslim decoration in his court, not in compliance with your Christian standard of judgment, or, more importantly, with the US standard of judgment?
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