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So atheists do you believe you come from monkeys?

#61SpawnShadowPosted 2/27/2013 12:57:25 PM(edited)
sith_acolyte15 posted...
He'll probably just respond to you by saying he doesn't answer hypothetical questions that are clearly wrong and against God. Or something.


LastManStanding posted...
God loves you, for God is love.


Looks like the Dark Lord of the Sith didn't count on LMS just rehashing earlier so-called "points" that really have nothing to do with the discussion.

ravenomoar posted...
Funny when he has nothing left to say we get random statements like god loves you. The thread falls back or gets closed by mods. Then a few hours he starts another one and round and round we go. See the pattern?


Hmm . . .

http://youtu.be/K7Mf4sQfq14

*flickering lightbulb appears over head, then burns out*

Nope, I got nothin'.
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#62Cubbiesboy22Posted 2/27/2013 1:15:18 PM
LastManStanding posted...
Remember, these studies produced nothing more than a bunch of theories. You are putting your faith in something, that I've noticed changes over time.
So today theory A works, tomorrow theory B works. This is not a fact.
God gave people graces, we misuse them for whatever reasons, including people of science.


You fail science 101. Theories cannot become facts, theories explain facts. For example, gravity is both a fact and a theory. We know there is a force called gravity and the theory of gravitation explains that fact. Same with evolution. We know thinks evolve for we see it every day, the theory of evolution explains that fact.
(This is a simpleton definition of theory).
#63ave1Posted 2/28/2013 8:39:23 PM
lasthero posted...


My challenge was to show that new morphological features have been scientifically observed coming about through evolution in the field of biology- not paleontology...


Stop.


I'm willing to consider that. Let's hear what you have to say...

Your problem - and the problem of people like you - is that you seem to think that, unless biologists produce some sort evolutionary Frankenstein, that evolution is not observed. That is not the way it works.


All I'm expecting is scientists to give evidence that evolution (which is said to have brought about eyes in creatures who many many generations before once had none, ears in creatures who many many generations before once had none, and various complex mechanisms that work just right in creatures who many many generations before once had none) is capable of building some new cell-composed functional morphological structure.

In other words- supply observational evidence from biology which can completely silence anyone who wonders aloud about things such as the origin of such complexities like eyes and ears.

The way the fossil record is structured is a prediction of evolution.


Evolution is always shown as a bush or a tree, right? The evolving always brings about new possibilities, right?

The fossil record has things which show things like convergence which are the opposite of what a blind mutation driven process that results in a tree or bush would produce. Look at the convergences of the finned water reptiles of the cretaceous with our current day fish. Look at the convergences of the marsupial lion with the feline lion. Look at the convergences of the eye of an octopus and the eye of a mammal (with EVERYTHING BUT THE part known as the retina being similar- cornea, sclera, circular pupil, iris, ciliary body, crystalline lens- all arranged just like in humans). Look at the convergence of the triceratops dinosaur head horn orientation and the head of the current day Jackson's chameleon.

These convergences are confounding evidences that it's not some sort of blind process, but a biotic message given to us from the one singe Creator of all the various kingdoms and families, orders, and species of the world in which we live. All of this is from ONE Creator.

It confirms what scientists expect. Take, for instance, the case of Titaalik - a transitional form between fish and land animals. It was found not by chance - the scientist who found it knew where to look based off finding and predictions made through evolutionary study. That's how science works.


Titaalik- by scientists own admissions- isn't exactly all it's cracked up to be. Read: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/09/the_rise_and_fall_of_tiktaalik011701.html

The digits don't really line up with the tetrapod design...
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#64ave1Posted 2/28/2013 8:40:39 PM
continued from above...


And even if we didn't have tons of fossil evidence that clearly shows the predictions of evolutionary theory, it wouldn't matter one damn bit, because studies into DNA also confirm evolutionary predictions.


Not so fast: http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Entropy-Mystery-Genome-Sanford/dp/1599190028

Geneticists are seeing problems with genetic entropy and the corruption that occurs in DNA over vast numbers of generations. Have you looked into this yet?

There's plenty of evidence for evolution. That it doesn't meet whatever ridiculous expectation you have is your own problem.


Nothing ridiculous about expecting scientists to show observational evidence from biology that demonstrates the creative power that evolution allegedly has when it comes to building up new morphological multicell-composed structures with new function inherent. Remember- Science is about experimentation and providing observational evidence.
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#65lastheroPosted 2/28/2013 10:51:09 PM
supply observational evidence from biology which can completely silence anyone who wonders aloud about things such as the origin of such complexities like eyes and ears.


Observational evidence has been and is continually provided. Again, that you either fail to recognize it or are too ignorant to understand what encompasses 'observation' is your own problem - needless to say, just because no one can show you a creature sprouting ears and eyes before you doesn't mean we don't have evidence of the process.

These convergences are confounding evidences that it's not some sort of blind process, but a biotic message given to us from the one singe Creator of all the various kingdoms and families, orders, and species of the world in which we live. All of this is from ONE Creator.


First off, it's not proof of ONE creator - that's an argument from ignorance. I could just as easily say it's a bunch of creators working in concert. Second off, it's called convergent evolution. It's readily explainable and well-known function of natural selection - animals growing similar adaptions in similar environments or for similar reason. It's not some great mystery - it's been understood for decades.

Remember- Science is about experimentation and providing observational evidence.


You need to look up and understand what observational evidence entails. It doesn't mean quite what you think it does.

By the by, just so you know, it wouldn't matter if, for some strange reasons, all the scientists who use evolution all the time and apply it to their theories suddenly decided to just throw it all out - as you and many other creationists seem to forget, yours is not the only religion in the world. YOUR god does not win by default.
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#66lastheroPosted 2/28/2013 11:10:35 PM(edited)
Now as for your references - do you have anything that comes from something resembling a reputable source, or are you just going to stick to creationist sites? And you'll forgive me if I don't buy the book with the poorly drawn UFO on the cover.

Also:

http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/discovery-institute-tiktaalik-a-fraudulent-transitional-fossil/
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