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In all honesty, why is God so reserved?

#21LastManStandingPosted 3/7/2013 9:53:05 AM
It is interesting how people are trying to tell God how to act.
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#22JonWood007Posted 3/7/2013 10:01:40 AM
OrangeWizard posted...
From: Mike_Stanton | #014
I pretty much explained it in the rest of my post.


So you think you know how an omniscient, omnipotent, perfect God should act?
Just making sure.


You do realize that people have these things called "brains", right? And that with these brains people can analyze concepts and try to predict one's behavior based on their supposed characteristics and desires. While yes, a god who fulfills all those qualities COULD largely avoid contact with humanity, it puts us in a predicament as far trying to find reasons for us to believe in him, since there could also be interdimensional space unicorns that avoid contact with reality by the same logic. Since God in Christianity clearly wants people to believe in him, it seems contradictory that he not show himself. Now, there could be other reasons for God's behavior, but without knowing them, once again, we have no reason to believe. You're arguing from ignorance, trying to defend belief in a concept that we have no reason to accept. You're making excuses and deflecting here, which is rather irritating to us nonbelievers.

I swear, I don't even know why you like to discuss religion, because your responses ultimately come down to the fact that we're too limited/stupid to grasp the issues at hand so why even try?
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#23wuigeePosted 3/7/2013 10:18:23 AM
Mike_Stanton posted...


From: wuigee | #015
I think science makes it more obvious that god exists. The universe is so perfectly mathematically put together.

I've yet to see any real evidence of those fine tuning constraints.


There is a good book called "Just Six Numbers".

Basically, the universe is set to these very specific six numbers, and if they changed even one decimal point, than we would cease to exist. It gives a lot of scenarios of what would happen if the numbers changed.
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#24DoGCyNPosted 3/7/2013 10:38:13 AM
LastManStanding posted...
DoGCyN posted...
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Good you erased it... It was a heresy


It wasn't a heresy at all. I just decided it's not worth it.
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#25Flaming_Fire619Posted 3/7/2013 11:20:47 AM
Let's go with the standpoint of those that were speaking of God and believing in him at the time.

For centuries, the main idea of theism was a group of gods that interacted in the every day lives of people. That sounds great. Except for the fact that in reality, they were mainly vengeful gods and goddesses. Sacrifices weren't usually in celebration, but in appeasement because the worshipers believed that if they didn't, the gods would use their powers to smite them down for their insolence.

The Judeo-Christian God was almost the exact opposite of that, an alternative for new worshipers. A God that cared and respected them, and gave them the right to their own lives. He doesn't want you to come to him out of fear, but out of acceptance and true belief. That's why he's not a God of Miracles and Power, but a God of faith.
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#26JonWood007Posted 3/7/2013 1:02:39 PM
^^Christianity still has a bit of the old ways in it. Just take a look at the old testament and how angry and wrathful Yahweh was at times. Heck, look at Jesus....I got news for you, Christianity is still very much into sacrifices to appease angry gods. It's just that Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice to put an end to having to do sacrifices. When you come right down to it, Christianity is still heavily built on the concept of sacrifices. I don't deny it's uniqueness, Judaism was one of the first monotheistic religions, and Christianity's god does have a loving side, but IMO, it still can't escape its roots.
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#27Flaming_Fire619Posted 3/7/2013 2:45:49 PM
Oh I understand, and I can see it. The thing is, they had to mix in some of the old with some of the new when preaching. People would still get the idea of sacrifices and stuff like that. To throw a whole new alien religion at them with no connections to the old gods would have never have worked with converts. There's still resemblances of sacrifice and such, but it's not a constant thing. And the angry god concept could be, as you said, be explained with the Ultimate Sacrifice of Jesus who took all the wrongdoings of mankind on himself to appease the one God. That way, people didn't have to live in fear of a vengeful god striking them down, and instead could live their lives.
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#28OrangeWizardPosted 3/7/2013 2:59:15 PM
From: JonWood007 | #016
You do realize that people have these things called "brains", right? And that with these brains people can analyze concepts and try to predict one's behavior based on their supposed characteristics and desires.


I think it's pretty arrogant to say that you know what a perfect, omniscient, and omnipotent God should do, seeing as how our brains cannot even comprehend perfection, omniscience, or omnipotence, nor have we ever experienced anything like it.

It's like a blind man thinking that he knows what colors are.

To say that you know what God should do is silly, no matter how you slice it. Deal with it.
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#29Chaos ScadePosted 3/7/2013 5:02:18 PM
JonWood007 posted...
Heck, look at Jesus....I got news for you, Christianity is still very much into sacrifices to appease angry gods.


omg are you seriously still saying this
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#30OrangeWizardPosted 3/7/2013 5:09:08 PM
From: Chaos Scade | #023
JonWood007 posted...
Heck, look at Jesus....I got news for you, Christianity is still very much into sacrifices to appease angry gods.


omg are you seriously still saying this


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