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University professor tells people to stomp on Jesus. Pisses off a student.

#121JonWood007Posted 3/24/2013 2:42:13 PM(edited)

Yes, you can criticize God all you want. It just doesn't mean anything logically, unless you're criticizing His existence. Once you skip His Existence (for the sake of trying to make his morality/actions seem "wrong" or "silly"), you've put yourself in the untenable position of criticizing the actions of a Being who you've just assumed (for the sake of argument only) to be the Supreme Creator of the universe.


I'm looking at the actions and their consequence. Who God is doesn't matter, because if he is those things, he can defend his actions without relying on crappy word games.

Hitler kills millions of people. He has provided no sufficient moral justification for doing so. Therefore, Hitler's actions are bad.

Stalin kills millions of people. He has provided no sufficient moral justification for doing so. Therefore, Stalin's actions are bad.

God kills millions of people. He has provided no sufficient moral justification for doing so. Therefore, God's actions are bad.

That's how it works. You apply the same rules, consistently, to the actions, regardless of who is doing them. God doesn't get special treatment. Especially without DEMONSTRATING a difference. You can't just pull assumptions out of your butt as to how the situation is different. You must demonstrate how the situation is different, which would consist of demonstrating God not only exists, but meets the assumptions you claim him to be.

I don't assume God exists in criticizing his actions in the Bible. I don't assume that he is perfect. I don't have to. I criticize the actions, and I do so in a consistent matter to how I would criticize every other being that committed the actions. What you're doing is playing word games and engaging in special pleading. I don't care about star wars canon. If Darth Vader kills people without providing a sufficient moral reason for doing so, he's in the same boat as everyone else. I'm judging the situation based on the act. If you have information that can demonstrably change the context of the act, that's well and good, but you can't assume it. Because if you do, you can throw those unfounded assumptions into literally any situation and come to the same conclusion.
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#122UnfairRepresent(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 3:10:46 PM
JonWood007 posted...
^^I have a master's, can't find a good job. College does help a bit, but it appears to me that experience helps A LOT more. Then again, maybe I should've chosen a different major (I studied social sciences).


Ouch social sciences
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#123Moorish_IdolPosted 3/24/2013 3:24:31 PM
JonWood007 posted...
^^I have a master's, can't find a good job. College does help a bit, but it appears to me that experience helps A LOT more. Then again, maybe I should've chosen a different major (I studied social sciences).

I think the problem is that you only have a master's. I say "only," but in the research sciences you pretty much need a doctorate to be competitive. There are some master's-level applied social science careers like counseling that are booming right now, but yeah, tough finding a job on the research side without a doctorate.

I have a master's right now too (marine science) and while I was able to get a job in my field, it was very entry-level and I only got it because I did an independent research study that my school ended up publishing, so my name got out. So yeah, in that way, like you said experience goes a long way (or at least, having your name on things). I'm working on my doctorate though, and that'll open up a ton of doors.

Would you consider going back to school? Or participate in some research, maybe with former professors?
#124JonWood007Posted 3/24/2013 3:37:55 PM
^^Yeah, my master's is in "community leadership", which is supposed to help me get a job in local politics or nonprofits, but the problem is, both rely heavily on volunteers, paid positions are few, don't pay a lot, and require like 3-5 years of experience.

I was thinking PHD, but I don't want that level of debt, and still highly doubt a good job will come out of it. I did write a draft of an ordinance for my local government for my master's capstone project, but the problem is, they don't offer many paid positions for that sort of thing. Especially since the city is in Act 47 bankruptcy.
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#125fudrickPosted 3/24/2013 5:02:40 PM
So wait.

Did this thread just become part 9001 of the "you can't criticize god" discussion
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#126bratt100Posted 3/24/2013 5:07:57 PM
"you can't criticize god"

Gods a bad person

"well you can criticize god but not his morals"

I find him morally bankrupt

"nu uh"
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#127UnfairRepresent(Topic Creator)Posted 3/24/2013 9:11:19 PM
fudrick posted...
So wait.

Did this thread just become part 9001 of the "you can't criticize god" discussion


yes
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#128SSj4WingzeroPosted 3/25/2013 2:58:03 AM
The student should not have been suspended for not partaking in the exercise, or for telling the professor how he felt about the exercise. He should be suspended if he actually did something wrong, which it doesn't appear as if he's done so far, but we only have his side of the story.

Basically, it was an exercise that has some educational value to it that has been blown way out of proportion. Nothing more...I don't see why it's a huge debate.
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#129bratt100Posted 3/25/2013 4:09:03 AM
SSj4Wingzero posted...
The student should not have been suspended for not partaking in the exercise, or for telling the professor how he felt about the exercise. He should be suspended if he actually did something wrong, which it doesn't appear as if he's done so far, but we only have his side of the story.

Basically, it was an exercise that has some educational value to it that has been blown way out of proportion. Nothing more...I don't see why it's a huge debate.


I don't think he was suspended for not participating. I'm willing to say there is a side of it we don't see and the suspension was most likely justified.
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#130JonWood007Posted 3/25/2013 9:02:00 AM
^^Yeah. Once again, read the context of the exercise. People were supposed to hesitate/disagree. I'm guessing he flipped out and the professor had no choice but to throw him out.
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