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So befoe Jesus did no one go to heaven? It was only after he resurrected?

#11SirThinkALotPosted 3/31/2013 7:09:35 PM(edited)
Nobody 'goes to heaven' as heaven isnt a place you 'go to.'

As of right now, everybody, before and after Jesus are waiting for the final ressurection.
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#12OrangeWizardPosted 3/31/2013 7:30:20 PM
From: Matamori | #009
The Rich Man and Lazarus


Parable. Not a real glimpse into the logistics of "Heaven and hell".
Next.
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#13CorporateKnightPosted 3/31/2013 9:19:16 PM(edited)
OrangeWizard posted...
From: Matamori | #009
The Rich Man and Lazarus


Parable. Not a real glimpse into the logistics of "Heaven and hell".
Next.


The word "parable" comes from the Greek (parabole), meaning "comparison, illustration, analogy". It was the name given by Greek rhetoricians to any fictive illustration in the form of a brief narrative. Later it came to mean a fictitious narrative, generally referring to something that might naturally occur, by which spiritual and moral matters might be conveyed.

We get it, it's a parable. So? Christ didn't pull concepts out of nowhere to explain something that simple.

Are you trying to tell me because Abraham features a parable he is necessary false and fiction?
I don't get you.
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#14TheRealJiraiyaPosted 3/31/2013 9:19:17 PM
CorporateKnight posted...
OrangeWizard posted...
From: Matamori | #009
The Rich Man and Lazarus


Parable. Not a real glimpse into the logistics of "Heaven and hell".
Next.


The word "parable" comes from the Greek (parabole), meaning "comparison, illustration, analogy". It was the name given by Greek rhetoricians to any fictive illustration in the form of a brief narrative. Later it came to mean a fictitious narrative, generally referring to something that might naturally occur.

We get it, it's a parable. So?

Are you trying to tell me because Abraham features a parable he is necessary false and fiction?
I don't get you.


Its role in the text does not necessitate that it is a literal representation of the afterlife.

Furthermore, the part you bolded was something that is generally, not necessarily, the case of a parable. The purpose of a parable is to be a comparison, illustration, or analogy.
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#15OrangeWizardPosted 3/31/2013 9:25:54 PM
From: CorporateKnight | #013
The word "parable" comes from the Greek (parabole), meaning "comparison, illustration, analogy". It was the name given by Greek rhetoricians to any fictive illustration in the form of a brief narrative. Later it came to mean a fictitious narrative, generally referring to something that might naturally occur, by which spiritual and moral matters might be conveyed.


Welp, that one unnamed dictionary sure proved me wrong.

What TRJ said.
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#16EDIFlCATION(Topic Creator)Posted 4/1/2013 2:52:25 AM
SirThinkALot posted...
Nobody 'goes to heaven' as heaven isnt a place you 'go to.'

As of right now, everybody, before and after Jesus are waiting for the final ressurection.


huh?
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#17SirThinkALotPosted 4/1/2013 5:04:01 AM
EDIFlCATION posted...
SirThinkALot posted...
Nobody 'goes to heaven' as heaven isnt a place you 'go to.'

As of right now, everybody, before and after Jesus are waiting for the final ressurection.


huh?


Heaven isnt the place the righteous are rewarded with after death, nowhere does the Bible use it that way. Rather, heaven in the Bible refers to God's special abode(specifically its wherever God is visibly present).

When you look at the Bible, the reward for the faithful is always tied up with ressurection, specifically a ressurection of the righteous at the end of times. 1 Corinthians 15 is a lengthy defense of the idea of a future, final ressurection. The final chapters of Revelation describe the reward for the righteous, and its not their spirits flying off to 'heaven.' But rather its God coming to earth and ressurecting the rightious into what it calls the 'New Heavens and Earth' A term which I strongly prefer to heaven.
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#18Lord_IchmaelPosted 4/1/2013 7:51:49 AM
There's your answer- nobody knows what the details of the/an afterlife are.
#19EDlFlCATlONPosted 4/1/2013 8:40:07 AM
Is that similar for Islam as well?
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#20LastManStandingPosted 4/1/2013 8:46:12 AM
Christ Death and Resurrection opened heaven.
Death on cross is a ransom for our sins
Resurrection conquers death
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