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Tell me again how the Bible doesn't contradict itself? (Easter Edition)

#121OrangeWizardPosted 4/2/2013 10:07:49 PM
From: JonWood007 | #120
Anyway, I can admit I'm wrong, if actually provided with evidence that goes beyond mere unfounded possibilities and abstract theological justifications that likely distort the original meaning of the text.



First you would have to actually listen to the argument, not just reject it immediately because it's coming from a Christian.

No it's not.


Yes it is. There are no proofs without logic.


In this topic and make others.


Prove it.
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#122JonWood007(Topic Creator)Posted 4/2/2013 10:51:10 PM
First you would have to actually listen to the argument, not just reject it immediately because it's coming from a Christian.


Except the source is kind of important because it's pretty obvious he's superimposing his own understanding of the text on the original meaning. He is assuming that the gospels cannot contradict each other, coming from God, so therefore they must not contradict. He's just rationalizing, it doesn't mean his views are in line with the original authors of the text. Heck, I've already established the case that they arent.

Yes it is. There are no proofs without logic.


I AINT ****ING OUT TO PROVE MY POINT OF VIEW 100%. WHAT PART OF THIS DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?! Are you dense? Seriously. Or maybe you just like strawmanning my position because you know it's the only move you have?

I don't have to prove you wrong. If you're gonna make an alternative claim to my claim, you should provide evidence for why it's better than my claim. I'm taking the position that the Bible does contradict because it's the best explanation. You once again seem to think that because I can't prove your viewpoint wrong that it's just as, if not more valid than mine. Guess what? Once you get your head out of abstract logic land, you'll realize it's not.

You want me to accept your point of view? provide a basis for why it is superior to mine. instead stop playing this game where you strawman my arguments, assume I'm making an absolute claim that can't POSSIBLY be wrong, and then shift the burden of proof to make me prove you wrong. How about you prove my argument wrong? How about you prove, 100%, that it can't possibly be a contradiction. THis goes beyond posing a theological argument on some apologetics website. Because as long as my point of view is logically valid, by your logic, your view can't be right.

Or, we can approach this like intellectually honest people and discuss both ideas on their merits. Although, i think it's pretty clear my idea would win.


Prove it.


And if I do you'll just say you didn't do it and ask me to prove it again. Not playing your stupid little games.

Seriously, shape up or I'm closing this topic. You're bringing me close to putting you back on my ignore list again.
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#123JonWood007(Topic Creator)Posted 4/2/2013 11:10:50 PM(edited)
Also, I pulled this from the belief website of the link you posted.

The sixty-six books of both the Old and New Testaments comprise the inspired Word of God and are without error in the original writings. The Bible is God's complete written revelation for the salvation of man and is the final authority regarding Christian life and faith.


http://contenderministries.org/believe.php

They assume from the get go that the Bible cannot be erroneous in its original form. It can't be wrong. I'm assuming this also means it can't contradict since that would imply error. So when they read the Bible, they're assuming this from the get go. They literally cant/wont come to any conclusion that doesn't support the Bible being without error. They will explain away errors until they're blue in the face. This is why I don't trust your little theological websites. They have a biased perspective. They don't do good work in their interpretations, and they're not intellectually honest. It's a website by believers for believers of a similar theology. An atheist or a scholar would laugh at this website.

Looking at their other articles, they seem to have a paranoia about the UN and think global governance brings about the end times or some crap.

EDIT: Looked into this site more. I'm actually surprised you drew your evidence from here. They don't say a lot of good things about your faith.

http://www.contenderministries.org/jehovahswitnesses.php
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#124OrangeWizardPosted 4/2/2013 11:07:19 PM
From: JonWood007 | #122
I AINT ****ING OUT TO PROVE MY POINT OF VIEW 100%.


You're not out to prove it at all, apparently.

From: JonWood007 | #123
Also, I pulled this from the belief website of the link you posted.


Why would you do that? I just found it off google. I don't really care what they say.

Except the source is kind of important


Sure, if you like making fallacies.

And if I do you'll just say you didn't do it and ask me to prove it again


And you're claiming that others have a biased perspective. Hah
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