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How do Jews reconcile the OT's stupidity?

#31YermomHoudiniPosted 4/1/2013 2:26:28 AM(edited)
isn't that pretentious? his words are absolute, to actively deny part of his teachings is to denounce his absolute authority. he made the world, and he already decided what the world is in the OT.

unless OT mentions to read between the lines and learn the lesson of the story rather than take it word for word, it doesn't offer a middle ground.
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#32IamvegitoPosted 4/1/2013 2:28:49 AM
From: YermomHoudini | #031
his words are absolute,

No.
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#33YermomHoudiniPosted 4/1/2013 2:36:44 AM(edited)
can you at least offer an explanation to why not? I just don't understand it.

to believe in this powerful absolute and yet does not wholeheartedly believe in what he said, what could justify it except from his words?

does OT at least offer a passage that tells the reader to learn the lesson of the story
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#34IamvegitoPosted 4/1/2013 2:53:29 AM
Because you are essentializing.
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#35YermomHoudiniPosted 4/1/2013 3:15:12 AM(edited)
all you have been saying so far is that you don't accept what I think belief is, and your reason is that people don't believe all of what was said in OT. but that doesn't answer what I want to know.
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#36TheRealJiraiyaPosted 4/1/2013 8:19:17 AM
YermomHoudini posted...
isn't that pretentious? his words are absolute, to actively deny part of his teachings is to denounce his absolute authority. he made the world, and he already decided what the world is in the OT.

unless OT mentions to read between the lines and learn the lesson of the story rather than take it word for word, it doesn't offer a middle ground.


The OT is not objective moral law. It is very specifically for the Jews
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#37YermomHoudiniPosted 4/1/2013 11:40:59 AM(edited)
TheRealJiraiya posted...
The OT is not objective moral law. It is very specifically for the Jews

but even jews themselves don't follow it entirely. that's the thing I was wondering too.
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#38kozlo100Posted 4/1/2013 11:58:52 AM
YermomHoudini posted...
TheRealJiraiya posted...
The OT is not objective moral law. It is very specifically for the Jews

but even jews themselves don't follow it entirely. that's the thing I was wondering too.


US law is not objective moral law. It is very specifically for US citizens. And yet US citizens themselves don't follow it entirely.

I don't know why we expect these laws to be any different from those of any other culture. You follow them as best you can as you understand them, break them when you feel you must, and sometimes just plain screw up or ignore the ones you don't think are important. Some folks end up following them more strictly than others.
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#39TheRealJiraiyaPosted 4/1/2013 12:17:59 PM
YermomHoudini posted...
TheRealJiraiya posted...
The OT is not objective moral law. It is very specifically for the Jews

but even jews themselves don't follow it entirely. that's the thing I was wondering too.


Jews decided the death penalty wasnt okay like 2k years ago for various theological reasons you could look up (essentially, that men were too infallible to make that judgment, although it is the correct judgment for those crimes). A lot of other things they excuse because historical Jewish practice of those things has centered around the Temple, which doesnt exist, or depend on living in a Jewish state (Israel)
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#40CountPopeulaPosted 4/3/2013 2:33:40 PM
Wandering__Hero posted...
I don't believe Jews take their entire Toruh as perfect and say ALL of it like the bits they admit are man written (i.e Job based on a jewish folk tale and Leviticus which was a bunch of arbitary rules) as being God's own divine word. Let me know if you see any Jews wearing only 1 type of fabric,stoning pagans and killing witches.


Well, aside from the murdery bits, go to an Orthodox neighborhood sometime.
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