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A realization I made reading through 1-2 Peter and 1-3 John today.

#131DarkContractor(Topic Creator)Posted 4/22/2013 8:08:27 PM(edited)
From: Dathrowed1 | #130
Which speaks nothing to the validity or invalidity


Well duh, but i wouldn't expect a response to something I would realize is too much to read.



Fair enough. If however, you are curious on a view similar to mine, wiki up two source hypothesis in regards to the Gospel. Really I took that theory and gave a lot examples of it, in order to demonstrate scribal bias, in order to eliminate the integrity of the authors. I built the position that End Times was supposed to have happened by the end of the 1st century. I built the position that the Gospels were not written until after the destruction of Jerusalem. This is a trifold falsification of a Biblical theology, nulling of the evidence that the Gospels were accounts of multiple people cross-referencing (ie witnessing) the same thing, and nulling the evidence of prophesy through the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

Jesus was a legend. It's hard to tell who the historical Jesus was, but I believe he was a man that people believed to be a prophet, and he was crucified. Everything else is wrapped in theological biases that no one has any evidence of (but it is a fact that our earliest known reference of the Gospels is in the mid 80s, and our earliest manuscript is nothing but some scraps of the Gospel of John. It is a fact that we can witness TONS of scribal biases, slightly altering bit of text after bit of text from manuscript to manuscript from there on out, by simply taking the manuscripts side by side and seeing how they differ. It is a fact that Paul, as well as presumably others of the early Church, thought we were in End Times already).

All of this was expanded on in-depth with examples, evidence, and the logical elimination of other possibilities.
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#132JonWood007Posted 4/22/2013 8:10:08 PM
I've seen people recommend BOOKS on the forum, but you can't read a couple paragraphs?
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#133Dathrowed1Posted 4/22/2013 8:24:54 PM
You haven't seen me do that. I don't have time to read books right now, let alone a few paragraphs that are jumping all over the place
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#134OrangeWizardPosted 4/22/2013 8:25:38 PM
From: JonWood007 | #129
This means there was no sunlight on earth.


No direct sunlight.

The first day was "let there be light" remember?

From: JonWood007 | #132
a couple paragraphs?


A couple means "two"
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#135JonWood007Posted 4/22/2013 8:28:26 PM
No direct sunlight.

The first day was "let there be light" remember?


There was no day or night. That's what the Bible says. You're really grasping at straws here. And once again, this doesn't line up with scientific testimony AT ALL.
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#136OrangeWizardPosted 4/22/2013 8:36:12 PM
From: JonWood007 | #135
There was no day or night. That's what the Bible says.


Where, exactly, does it say that?
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#137JonWood007Posted 4/22/2013 9:13:46 PM

Where, exactly, does it say that?


Genesis 1:14-19
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#138OrangeWizardPosted 4/22/2013 10:34:09 PM
Nowhere in that passage does it say "And there was no day or night before this".

You keep ignoring me when I tell you things. I've told you that the sun existed since the first day. I've told you that the sun is merely being revealed, made visible through the fog, in the passage that you posted.

I don't know why you keep asking me questions with the intent to ignore everything I say.
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#139JonWood007Posted 4/22/2013 10:51:07 PM(edited)
How can something exist before it's created?

LIGHT and DARKNESS existed on the first day, as in the parameters (if you want a reasonable rationalization, otherwise it makes ZERO FREAKING SENSE to have light and darkness without sources of light). Not the actual light sources. He didn't create the actual sun, moon, and stars until might later. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention any of the garbage interpretations you mention about fog. You're making crap up.
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#140OrangeWizardPosted 4/22/2013 11:22:21 PM
From: JonWood007 | #139
How can something exist before it's created?


You are blatantly ignoring what I'm saying. I've explained it to you at least three times already.

Why don't you actually read and understand my posts?
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