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Anyone ever fasted from something other than food?

#11Mighty-Oregon(Topic Creator)Posted 4/16/2013 6:02:17 PM
"My best advice is walks. Back when I tried something similar before I realized there was nothing wrong with masturbation was just going on a walk whenever I felt any kind of arousal. Walks are nice, and they get you doing things and out of the room."

How is masturbation not a sin? Isn't it considered lust?

I guess I worded it wrong. I'm trying to fast from the sexual acts and thoughts not sexual desire since its impossible.
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#12Polish_CrusaderPosted 4/16/2013 6:14:33 PM
ive fasted from video games before.
#13Moorish_IdolPosted 4/16/2013 6:15:19 PM
I think it will help if you reframe your mind. Instead of looking at it as "Giving up sexual desires," look at it as "Improving my male-female relationships; improving my relationship with my wife."

If you look at it as if you are doing something greater instead of simply not doing something, it may help motivate you to stick to your guns when faced with an unwanted temptation or impulse.
#14TheRealJiraiyaPosted 4/16/2013 6:20:55 PM
Mighty-Oregon posted...
How is masturbation not a sin? Isn't it considered lust?

I guess I worded it wrong. I'm trying to fast from the sexual acts and thoughts not sexual desire since its impossible.


Lust is excessively sexualizing and so forth. Natural reactions (such as "I noticed that woman is attractive") are not lust. This indicates an exception for natural bodily stuff, and men are built to ejaculate regularly.

And if you dont, you will do it in your sleep, and thatll come with "lust"ful dreams.

Plus the Bible talks about it in the OT - Im too lazy to look it up, but OT Law puts it in the same category as wet dreams, and the "punishment" is the same as with periods - clean yourself so the fluids dont mess up our ancient healthness
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#15chukie_suePosted 4/16/2013 6:50:05 PM
Hello Friend!

I've fasted from things besides food before but I realized they were ultimately a waste of time in the eyes of eternity anyway so God thankfully gave me grace to give them up indefinitely. It sounds like you're trying to fast from sin... It's absolutely fantastic that you have a desire to resist the lusts of the flesh which "...war against your soul." (1 Peter 2:11) That's one of biggest signs that God is actively pursuing you and desiring to bring you closer to Himself.

Fasting isn't just about not doing something. Fasting is humbling yourself before God. When you abstain from food, your body becomes weak and your mind is slowed. I remember the first time I fasted. I thought I was one of the most loving Christians ever and that I just had an intense love for everyone. Well, several hours into it I realized how much of that affection was dependent on food. Man, I hated people I was so grumpy. It's humbling. The pain in your stomach reminds you to pray to God and ask Him for whatever it you're fasting for. I think fasts from food (and or water, though I haven't fasted from water) are primarily what the Bible talks about. I could be wrong though. I don't think the topic of fasting is one I am an expert in.

Abstaining from other things that might consume your time is great too, like Netflix. Although if you're just replacing Netflix with something else it is pointless. I strongly recommend downloading a free book by Mike Bickle entitled "The Rewards of Fasting." http://mikebickle.org/books/


Whenever any Christian talks about their desire to put to death the sin strongholds in their life I perk up a little bit. I used to be heavily addicted to pornography and masturbation. I don't know of anyone who was as enslaved as I was. It is very possible, because of what Christ did, to put off your old nature and walk in life and purity. But the first thing you're going to very quickly realized now that you've embarked down this path is that you will not be able to quit with your own strength. If you'd like to talk more and or hear my testimony, we can talk here or through pm if you like.



Also, TRJ, you know I have no beef with you and we're pals and all. I am usually not inclined to express my disagreement if somebody posts something that I think is Theologically inaccurate. But since this a matter of sin, and how God regularly expresses His intense disdain for false teaching, I feel compelled to emphatically declare that I do think the Bible makes it quite clear that masturbation is a sin, and that I can not in good conscience let someone tell TC otherwise without putting in my two cents. Nothing personal of course!
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#16TheRealJiraiyaPosted 4/16/2013 6:55:43 PM
chukie_sue posted...
Also, TRJ, you know I have no beef with you and we're pals and all. I am usually not inclined to express my disagreement if somebody posts something that I think is Theologically inaccurate. But since this a matter of sin, and how God regularly expresses His intense disdain for false teaching, I feel compelled to emphatically declare that I do think the Bible makes it quite clear that masturbation is a sin, and that I can not in good conscience let someone tell TC otherwise without putting in my two cents. Nothing personal of course!


Nothing personal, but the Bible only discusses masturbation once, and it is in Lev. 15

When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

"An emission of semen", not wiht a woman, is grouped as a single category, wet dreams and masturbation together.
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#17chukie_suePosted 4/16/2013 7:10:35 PM(edited)
From: TheRealJiraiya | #056
chukie_sue posted...
Also, TRJ, you know I have no beef with you and we're pals and all. I am usually not inclined to express my disagreement if somebody posts something that I think is Theologically inaccurate. But since this a matter of sin, and how God regularly expresses His intense disdain for false teaching, I feel compelled to emphatically declare that I do think the Bible makes it quite clear that masturbation is a sin, and that I can not in good conscience let someone tell TC otherwise without putting in my two cents. Nothing personal of course!


Nothing personal, but the Bible only discusses masturbation once, and it is in Lev. 15

When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

"An emission of semen", not wiht a woman, is grouped as a single category, wet dreams and masturbation together.


You're right, it does only mention it once (at least as far I as I know). Honestly, I wouldn't look to Leviticus to determine the moral regulations of any activities, not just masturbation. I just don't know how anyone can intentionally masturbate without committing adultery in his or her heart. Never in my experience (and I am careful not to assume everyone has had the same experience as I have) have I seen anything but bad fruit come of it, either.
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#18TheRealJiraiyaPosted 4/16/2013 7:17:24 PM
chukie_sue posted...
From: TheRealJiraiya | #056
chukie_sue posted...
Also, TRJ, you know I have no beef with you and we're pals and all. I am usually not inclined to express my disagreement if somebody posts something that I think is Theologically inaccurate. But since this a matter of sin, and how God regularly expresses His intense disdain for false teaching, I feel compelled to emphatically declare that I do think the Bible makes it quite clear that masturbation is a sin, and that I can not in good conscience let someone tell TC otherwise without putting in my two cents. Nothing personal of course!


Nothing personal, but the Bible only discusses masturbation once, and it is in Lev. 15

When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

"An emission of semen", not wiht a woman, is grouped as a single category, wet dreams and masturbation together.


You're right, it does only mention it once (at least as far I as I know). Honestly, I wouldn't look to Leviticus to determine the moral regulations of any activities, not just masturbation. I just don't know how anyone can intentionally masturbate without committing adultery in his or her heart. Never in my experience (and I am careful not to assume everyone has had the same experience as I have) have I seen anything but bad fruit come of it, either.


There is the good fruit found in not getting prostate cancer, which masturbation reduces. Your body was built to ejaculate regularly. If you dont do it yourself, itll force it at night. And if "adultery in your heart" is the problem, Id rather control it than turn it loose in my dreams.
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#19FlashOfLightPosted 4/16/2013 7:19:05 PM
Mighty-Oregon posted...
about a fasting that only will last 21 days. Don't know why it isn't 30 days...


Sounds like he's going for 3 weeks.
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#20chukie_suePosted 4/16/2013 7:35:26 PM(edited)
From: TheRealJiraiya | #058
There is the good fruit found in not getting prostate cancer, which masturbation reduces. Your body was built to ejaculate regularly. If you dont do it yourself, itll force it at night. And if "adultery in your heart" is the problem, Id rather control it than turn it loose in my dreams.


For the sake of brevity I'm going to just get right to it and be concise. Again, I don't want to appear hostile... which is very easy to do over the internet.

If health was an aim of mine, I would have quit being a Christian long ago. Paul certainly wouldn't have signed up for the gig either. The health effects of not masturbating are only worth considering if it is concluded that masturbation is not a sin, which hasn't been established yet. It can be very beneficial to your health to sin; that doesn't mean we should do it. Going on long fasts is not healthy, nor is preaching in dangerous countries. But we find both being commended by God in the Bible. There's that "your body is a temple bit" in 1 Cor 6 that almost everybody cites as evidence to support the idea of maintaining physical health. I'm not sure that's what the verse is referring to in the first place, but regardless, I see a lot more about not being a slave to anything and mastering your body (1 cor 6:12).

David in Psalm 19 distinguishes a difference between unintentional sins and willful sins. I don't know if God will hold people accountable for their dreams. But I can't think of any biblical text to support the notion of sinning so as not to sin later. In my own life I've found that eliminating sources like TV or music that fills my mind with sexual images/innuendo and etc has seriously reduced any dreams of that nature.
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