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The difference between religious fundamentalism and antitheism:

#21mrplainswalkerPosted 4/26/2013 7:03:56 AM
Iamvegito posted...
Nothing. Don't hate people who are different than you. We learned that in preschool, guys.


Depends what kind of "antitheism" you're talking about. If you're talking about people who are trying to pass legislation to make theism illegal, or antitheist terrorists, or people who claim persecution whenever a theist prays on their own time...then yes you are absolutely correct. I've just never met an antitheist that does any of those things.
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#22C_MatPosted 4/26/2013 7:34:53 AM
Iamvegito posted...
There is no objective reality. That claim is in itself "wrong" to postmoderns, being the point on which it is antagonistic to modernity.


So the only objective truth is that there is no objective truth?
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#23squareandrarePosted 4/26/2013 9:26:25 AM
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#24Iamvegito(Topic Creator)Posted 4/27/2013 8:22:50 AM
From: C_Mat | #022
So the only objective truth is that there is no objective truth?

From: squareandrare | #023
Totally the same, if you ignore the part where only one of them requires a completely unsubstantiated belief in the supernatural.

Please take the trolling elsewhere.
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#25DarkContractorPosted 4/27/2013 9:53:12 AM(edited)
I love how anytime anyone disagrees with vegito he just calls them a troll and doesnt respond.


also, there IS an objective reality, we just don't have the means to determine what that is. logic necessitates objectivity in face of facts. I think therefore I am, therefore there must be an explanation for my existence, my past indicates to me that I am like a ray, that had a starting point but then proceed into the future, I don't know if that will terminate, but I do know, for instance then, that I have not always existed, so an explanation via eliminated. Anyone who explains their own existence through eternity is objectively wrong. Many religions are mutually exclusive, both of them cannot be an objective reality. But whatever the explanation for reality is, is. it does not magically change based on perspective.

In 1+x=3, x is the number 2 (im skipping possibilities like "(-2+4)" for simplicity's sake)
Now, if 1 and 3 were subtituted for y and z, and we only have y+x=z, x STILL equals 2 regardless if we verify it. If I were to say that x=10, I would be incorrect and not know it. If I were to say that x does =2, I would be correct and not know it.


But vegito is just gonna cuss at me and call me a troll, probably (in a very unChristlike manner I might add)
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#26C_MatPosted 4/27/2013 11:11:05 AM
Iamvegito posted...
From: C_Mat | #022
So the only objective truth is that there is no objective truth?

From: squareandrare | #023
Totally the same, if you ignore the part where only one of them requires a completely unsubstantiated belief in the supernatural.

Please take the trolling elsewhere.


How is that trolling? I feel like your position obviously contradicts itself if you tell me that there is no truth and that I am wrong.
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#27squareandrarePosted 4/27/2013 12:13:18 PM
Please take the trolling elsewhere.


Have you considered the possibility that I'm not actually trolling, and your argument is, in fact, just driveling nonsense?
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#28Moorish_IdolPosted 4/27/2013 12:21:18 PM(edited)
squareandrare posted...
Please take the trolling elsewhere.


Have you considered the possibility that I'm not actually trolling, and your argument is, in fact, just driveling nonsense?

Vegito was referring to the behaviours of the two groups. You addressed the beliefs of the two groups.
#29squareandrarePosted 4/27/2013 12:52:10 PM
Vegito was referring to the behaviours of the two groups. You addressed the beliefs of the two groups.


If he truly only meant behavior, then he chose a pretty silly topic title and opening post.
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#30Iamvegito(Topic Creator)Posted 4/27/2013 2:17:23 PM
From: C_Mat | #026
How is that trolling? I feel like your position obviously contradicts itself if you tell me that there is no truth and that I am wrong.

You are currently falling into a modernist trap and trying to use it as a critique of postmodernity. That does. Not. Work.
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