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the holy fire miracle

#1_pigzigaccount5Posted 5/5/2013 8:18:13 AM
do you think its real or does the priest pull a lighter out of somewhere?
i think it could be real
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#2SilviiroPosted 5/5/2013 9:34:47 AM
Whether it is real or not I do not know, but I doubt it is as simple as a hidden lighter.
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#3JonWood007Posted 5/5/2013 9:42:10 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Fire

http://www.stpeterslist.com/3088/6-things-to-know-about-the-miracle-of-the-holy-fire/

In 2005 in a live demonstration on Greek television, Michael Kalopoulos, author and historian of religion, dipped three candles in white phosphorus. The candles spontaneously ignited after approximately 20 minutes due to the self-ignition properties of white phosphorus when in contact with air. According to Kalopoulos' website:

If phosphorus is dissolved in an appropriate organic solvent, self-ignition is delayed until the solvent has almost completely evaporated. Repeated experiments showed that the ignition can be delayed for half an hour or more, depending on the density of the solution and the solvent employed.

Kalopoulos also points out that chemical reactions of this nature were well known in ancient times, quoting Strabo, who states "In Babylon there are two kinds of naphtha springs, a white and a black. The white naphtha is the one that ignites with fire." (Strabon Geographica 16.1.15.1-24) He further states that phosphorus was used by Chaldean magicians in the early fifth century BC, and by the ancient Greeks, in a way similar to its supposed use today by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem.[15]

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#4CorporateKnightPosted 5/5/2013 9:42:57 AM
Its real ^_^
#5Polish_CrusaderPosted 5/5/2013 11:18:48 AM
Never heard of it.
#6DarkContractorPosted 5/5/2013 11:21:13 AM
From: Polish_Crusader | #005
Never heard of it.


what a useful contribution
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#7OrangeWizardPosted 5/5/2013 11:36:21 AM
From: Polish_Crusader | #004
Never heard of it.


I've never heard of it either.

*one google later*

" every year the day before Orthodox Easter, an unlit blue fire from a stone in the Church descends from the dome and ignites a candle held by the Patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church in Jerusalem."

Can we see this original flame? No? Figures.

"Pilgrims let the flames touch their hands as the Holy Fire supposedly does not burn those who come in contact with it."

I couldn't see this in the video I found.
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#8Polish_CrusaderPosted 5/5/2013 2:26:06 PM
OrangeWizard posted...
From: Polish_Crusader | #004
Never heard of it.


Trolling and making valid arguments are not mutually exclusive


LOL. wow. funny how OW is the one that would have that as his sig. Im not entirely sure that is true or not. But it sure says a lot about OW. Nice sig.
#9JonWood007Posted 5/5/2013 2:32:54 PM
I find it funny how he applies skepticism here but gives his own views a free pass.
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#10OrangeWizardPosted 5/5/2013 4:14:23 PM
You just now noticed that?
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