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Pope Francis says righteous atheists are saved

#1Faust_8Posted 5/24/2013 12:05:11 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html?christianity&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

I don't recall a topic about this on this board, so here ya go.

See you in heaven.
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#2AynRandySavagePosted 5/24/2013 12:14:30 PM
redeemed, not saved
#3Faust_8(Topic Creator)Posted 5/24/2013 12:25:53 PM
Is there a functional difference? He said we'll "meet one another there."

If I am wrong about some technicality, then well, I'm wrong. Point still stands though.
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#4C_MatPosted 5/24/2013 12:36:53 PM
He's a Catholic. No surprise that he's willing to make the Bible say whatever he wants it to.

And you're right, Faust_8, redeemed is the same as saved, in the Christian sense. I don't know if Catholics have a different meaning for redemption, but in the Bible it only applies to someone who has accepted Jesus as their savior.
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#5AynRandySavagePosted 5/24/2013 12:36:56 PM
By that, he meant that atheists and christians can find common ground doing good works. Catholicism holds that Jesus's death "redeemed" all of humanity. In order to be saved(i.e. enter the kingdom of god) one has to willingly accept their redemption. In other words, everyone is redeemed, but not everyone is going to heaven.
#6kozlo100Posted 5/24/2013 12:38:39 PM
I actually did make a topic about it, and we got into exactly this issue towards the end, if you want to have a look at that.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/263-religion/66258273
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#7kozlo100Posted 5/24/2013 2:31:41 PM
Apparently a Vatican spokesperson has commented on the issue as well.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/23/heaven-for-atheists-pope-sparks-debate/

He goes into the differences between redemption and salvation and explains a bit of the theology of the issue, but also makes this quote:

“I hope Catholics, and all people hearing the pope's statement, will recognize that his words about atheists need to symbolize much more than just a curiosity or an exception to the rule,” Epstein said. “If someone thinks there are only a few atheists out there doing good just like Catholics do, that's a major misunderstanding that can lead to prejudice and discrimination.”


Which is pretty much exactly what I got out of the Pope's statements the first time around.
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#8Polish_CrusaderPosted 5/24/2013 2:35:18 PM
And you wonder why the catholic church has been going down in recent decades.

John 14:6

^ Read it folks ^
#9Faust_8(Topic Creator)Posted 5/24/2013 4:18:15 PM
Polish_Crusader posted...
And you wonder why the catholic church has been going down in recent decades.

John 14:6

^ Read it folks ^


Look at this armchair theologian who thinks he knows better than the Pope.
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#10C_MatPosted 5/24/2013 4:49:21 PM
Faust_8 posted...
Polish_Crusader posted...
And you wonder why the catholic church has been going down in recent decades.

John 14:6

^ Read it folks ^


Look at this armchair theologian who thinks he knows better than the Pope.


Don't you also think you know better than the Pope? Last I checked, you aren't Catholic.
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