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Study on how religious/conservatives and liberals judge moral decisions

#1Faust_8Posted 6/25/2013 11:57:01 AM
http://www.psypost.org/2013/06/liberals-and-conservatives-approach-moral-judgments-in-fundamentally-different-ways-18596

A key point:

Research published June in Social Psychological and Personality Science suggests that religious individuals and political conservatives think about moral issues in a fundamentally different way than liberals.

The study by Jared Piazza of the University of Pennsylvania and Paulo Sousa of Queen’s University Belfast, which included a total of 688 participants, found religious individuals and political conservatives consistently invoked deontological ethics. In other words, they judged the morality of actions based on a universal rule such as, “You should not kill.” Political liberals, on the other hand, consistently invoked consequentialist ethics, meaning they judged the morality of actions based on their positive or negative outcomes.

“Does being religious or being conservative promote a rule-based ethic or does having a rule-based ethic promote religiosity and/or conservatism?” Piazza told PsyPost. “This question is difficult to answer definitively without running a longitudinal study, since you cannot really manipulate religious orientation, or being in possession of a deontological orientation, and then look at the consequences.”


I think this is at the root of the moral disagreements on this board.
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#2rick alveradoPosted 6/25/2013 12:03:13 PM
Where do religious people who are liberal fit into this? Also what about intent based morality? Those are the questions that immediately come to mind upon reading your post, although I haven't read the link yet so it's possible it's covered there.
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#3rick alveradoPosted 6/25/2013 5:11:25 PM
Okay, upon reading the article, it seems that what it meant by consequence-based morality is similar to what I mean by intent-based, as it has to do with what you intend the consequences to be.
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#4FingerpuppetPosted 6/25/2013 6:59:05 PM
Interesting. Sometimes, I think that it's best to examine if the end truly does justify the means.
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#5C_MatPosted 6/26/2013 7:00:31 AM
Is this supposed to be new information or something? I've never had any trouble understanding a liberal/irreligious person's understanding of morality, I just think they're inconsistent about it. But I'm not ignoring the fact that religious/conservative people are inconsistent at times with their moral code as well.
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#6kts123Posted 6/26/2013 7:30:24 AM(edited)
I'm immediately skeptical of the author's understanding of moral systems.

I wish I had access to the full text, I would love to see what sort of questions they had available. I know I've personally answered questions on questionnaires based on what most closely reflects my views, even if it implies things about my views that are untrue. Further, I'm curious as to how they're sure people aren't answering how they think they ought to, as opposed to how they genuinely reason morally. For example, I've seen plenty of people make objective moral claims only to give completely subjective moral arguments when faced with extenuating circumstances.
#7JonWood007Posted 6/26/2013 9:19:34 AM
rick alverado posted...
Where do religious people who are liberal fit into this? Also what about intent based morality? Those are the questions that immediately come to mind upon reading your post, although I haven't read the link yet so it's possible it's covered there.


I tried to walk that line before, and honestly, you can't. It involves ignoring a lot of scripture and making interpretations that may gets you away from the original text.
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#8C_MatPosted 6/26/2013 9:38:19 AM
^the fact that you'd say that makes you more honest than any "liberal Christian" I've met.
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#9rick alveradoPosted 6/26/2013 11:15:08 AM
JonWood007 posted...
rick alverado posted...
Where do religious people who are liberal fit into this? Also what about intent based morality? Those are the questions that immediately come to mind upon reading your post, although I haven't read the link yet so it's possible it's covered there.


I tried to walk that line before, and honestly, you can't. It involves ignoring a lot of scripture and making interpretations that may gets you away from the original text.


So you don't think a religious person can honestly be politically liberal? First of all you seem to be assuming that religious only refers to Christians. But even just amongst Christians why can't they be politically liberal. Back when I was a Christian I was closer to being liberal then conservative. At least as much as my political ideas can be fit onto the spectrum.
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#10JonWood007Posted 6/26/2013 1:00:00 PM
rick alverado posted...
JonWood007 posted...
rick alverado posted...
Where do religious people who are liberal fit into this? Also what about intent based morality? Those are the questions that immediately come to mind upon reading your post, although I haven't read the link yet so it's possible it's covered there.


I tried to walk that line before, and honestly, you can't. It involves ignoring a lot of scripture and making interpretations that may gets you away from the original text.


So you don't think a religious person can honestly be politically liberal? First of all you seem to be assuming that religious only refers to Christians. But even just amongst Christians why can't they be politically liberal. Back when I was a Christian I was closer to being liberal then conservative. At least as much as my political ideas can be fit onto the spectrum.


It also depends liberal in what way. Economically liberal, I can see you getting at that via Jesus' teachings. Socially liberal? Heck no. Biblical teachings don't really fit well into either party, given fiscal conservatism seems to go against everything jesus promoted, but otherwise, the general thought patterns that often accompany liberalism seem very much opposed to and apart from christianity, which is what the article is trying to get at. You believe in fixed moral codes and submission to those moral codes. Liberals generally don't. Or at the very least, they believe in critical thought to reach such morality, as opposed to sbumission and acceptance.

Remember, Christianity scoffs at jews for wanting signs and Greeks for using logic. It is based on "faith". These kinds of mindsets seem very opposed to liberalism in general.
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