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Christians - what are your thoughts/opinions on this?(Other faiths welcome too!)

#1COAndyPosted 7/14/2013 2:26:59 AM
Fellow Christian here. Wanted to discuss something thats been on my mind.

When Lucifer began the rebellion in Heaven, he was cast down to hell along with the other angels that participated in the rebellion. Even so, Lucifer was able to leave hell to tempt Adam/Eve/Jesus/Mankind.

I've always understood that Satan is NOT a "ruler of hell" and thus is not immune to the torments of hell...so why is he able to leave that domain to influence mankind?

What are your thoughts?
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#2WelshGamer82Posted 7/14/2013 3:24:57 AM
Not cast down to hell. Just cast out of heaven (to Earth, presumably).

Don't think there's anything suggesting he's in hell. Revelation suggests he'll be cast into the lake of fire, but that's not due until the last judgement, IIRC.

I do agree that the "King of Hell" characteristic is unfounded though.
#3DarkContractorPosted 7/14/2013 5:42:44 AM
Dantes Divine Comedy has been skewing our perception of Satan and He for centuries.

Checkout Elaine Pagel's Origin of
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#4FlashOfLightPosted 7/14/2013 10:40:01 AM
DarkContractor posted...
Dantes Divine Comedy has been skewing our perception of Satan and He for centuries.


This. This King of Hell concept is based on popular literature throughout the centuries and contempary art.
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#5TheRealJiraiyaPosted 7/14/2013 10:55:50 AM
WelshGamer82 posted...
Not cast down to hell. Just cast out of heaven (to Earth, presumably).

Don't think there's anything suggesting he's in hell. Revelation suggests he'll be cast into the lake of fire, but that's not due until the last judgement, IIRC.

I do agree that the "King of Hell" characteristic is unfounded though.


This. Nobody has ever entered the Lake of Fire yet. Satan was cast down to Earth.
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#6OrangeWizardPosted 7/14/2013 1:35:24 PM
Even though everybody has already said it:

From: COAndy | #001
When Lucifer


Stop right there, criminal scum.
Satan =/= Lucifer.

he was cast down to hell


No he wasn't. He was cast down to the earth.

Lucifer was able to leave hell to tempt Adam/Eve/Jesus/Mankind.


You've gotten the chronology of the events wrong. Satan was cast down out of heaven after the bible was written, far after the events of Genesis.
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#7COAndy(Topic Creator)Posted 7/14/2013 3:09:48 PM
Ok thats news to me... Satan =/= Lucifer? What's the deal there?
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#8OrangeWizardPosted 7/14/2013 3:12:59 PM
From: COAndy | #007
Ok thats news to me... Satan =/= Lucifer? What's the deal there?


What's the deal with Satan ever even being Lucifer in the first place?
There is no deal there, because Satan is never referred to as Lucifer except in fictional literature.
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#9Kaiser1onePosted 7/14/2013 6:05:27 PM
Lucifer also did not tempt Adam/Eve that was merely a talking serpent.
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#10OrangeWizardPosted 7/14/2013 6:17:42 PM
Lucifer wasn't the serpent either. Sorry.

The closest thing relating to lucifer is emperor Nero, or a personification of the entire roman empire.
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