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God is jelly. What are we as Christians supposed to do about that?

#11IndoriPosted 7/15/2013 8:06:36 PM
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Indori posted...
There is such a thing as righteous jealousy.


If you make up such a thing, sure. There can be righteous lust, righteous pride, righteous wrath, righteous slothfulness, and so on. If you are going to make those ethical arguments though, you need to do some philosophical legwork, you can't just say it exists.

The only legwork I have to do is to point out that you don't know the definition of "jealous."

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=jealous
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#12CoyoteTheGreatPosted 7/15/2013 11:38:26 PM
Indori posted...
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Indori posted...
There is such a thing as righteous jealousy.


If you make up such a thing, sure. There can be righteous lust, righteous pride, righteous wrath, righteous slothfulness, and so on. If you are going to make those ethical arguments though, you need to do some philosophical legwork, you can't just say it exists.

The only legwork I have to do is to point out that you don't know the definition of "jealous."

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=jealous


There is absolutely no innate attribute of "righteousness" in "being watchful in guarding something", so nice try.
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#13IndoriPosted 7/16/2013 9:47:12 AM
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Indori posted...
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Indori posted...
There is such a thing as righteous jealousy.


If you make up such a thing, sure. There can be righteous lust, righteous pride, righteous wrath, righteous slothfulness, and so on. If you are going to make those ethical arguments though, you need to do some philosophical legwork, you can't just say it exists.

The only legwork I have to do is to point out that you don't know the definition of "jealous."

http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=jealous


There is absolutely no innate attribute of "righteousness" in "being watchful in guarding something", so nice try.

lol
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#14Faust_8Posted 7/16/2013 1:07:03 PM
So why is envy one the "seven deadly sins" then?

And oh look, a definition that doesn't have an ambiguous definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jealous

And envy, as well. Also lacking any positive or even neutral connotations.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/envy

No hand-waving is going to suddenly contradict the fact that society views jealousy as a vice. Nor will focusing on a single rather poorly-written definition in a single dictionary.
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#15IndoriPosted 7/16/2013 1:17:36 PM
You must have missed this part.

3 : vigilant in guarding a possession <new colonies were jealous of their new independence Scott Buchanan>

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#16IndoriPosted 7/16/2013 1:28:26 PM
Just for lulz, here's four more.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jealous
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jealous
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/jealous_2
http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=jealous&searchmode=none
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#17FlashOfLightPosted 7/16/2013 2:06:53 PM
This is a case where certain dictionaries fail in capturing the Biblical definition of what jealousy is in regard to God's jealousy, which is the one being discussed.

So, if I may...

Psalms 78:58-62

"Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies: But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow.

For they provoked him to anger with their high places, and moved him to jealousy with their graven images. When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:

So that he forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent which he placed among men; And delivered his strength into captivity, and his glory into the enemy's hand. He gave his people over also unto the sword; and was wroth with his inheritance."

So, caused by turning back, and leading to anger for their actions after rejecting what God had proved to them.

Psalms 79:5-6

"How long, LORD? wilt thou be angry for ever? shall thy jealousy burn like fire? Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."

Same thing being expressed here, anger due to deliberate ignorance and denial. God wants to be acknowledged, the same way a husband wants to be acknowledged by his wife, and why it would be considered an insult for the woman to start talking and flirting with another man when her husband is right there.

Let's prove that concept right away, in Isaiah 54:5-8

"For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer."

Jeremiah Chapter 3 covers this in detail, but for space's sake, this should do...

"And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.

Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:"

Ezekiel 16:36-38

"Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy."
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#18CoyoteTheGreatPosted 7/16/2013 5:30:48 PM
Indori posted...
Just for lulz, here's four more.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jealous
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jealous
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/jealous_2
http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=jealous&searchmode=none


"5. Intolerant of disloyalty or infidelity; autocratic: a jealous God."

Once again, no mention of "righteousness" here, and really, by today's democratic standard mores, quite the opposite. I know you think you are proving some point here, but I think that only point is that you are quite good at making a fool of yourself.
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#19IndoriPosted 7/16/2013 6:13:32 PM
You're right, I was such a fool to think that modern societies value loyalty and faithfulness.
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I'm the bogeyman. The villain.
#20OrangeWizardPosted 7/16/2013 6:25:36 PM
A word doesn't have to have the word "righteous" in the definition of it for it to be possible to have "righteous _____".

That's why the word "righteous" is next to the word. It MODIFIES it.

Like how "chicken" isn't necessarily "roasted", but if can be if you have "roasted chicken".
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