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God is jelly. What are we as Christians supposed to do about that?

#31Faust_8Posted 7/17/2013 2:14:58 PM
Yes, and "to kill" or "killing" isn't necessarily bad either (to kill a virus, killing time). That doesn't stop the word from regarded as bad except in very specific situations. Ask a person on the street if killing is bad and they say "in the usual sense, no."

So, how about this instead: find me a time when jealous or jealousy was used in a good light, to make some person look more admirable. In any book, or speech, or anything.

Because right now this is just the same old "there's a small chance it's not what you say!" that you break out in every criticism of the Bible, as if that's a rock hard defense. Proving that we're possibly wrong doesn't really matter when we're probably right. Probable beats possible.

I just simply don't see another way to interpret "he is a jealous God" without destroying the context. "He is a protective God" doesn't make sense, why the warning then? Why warn someone of a good trait? "He is a watchful/faithful God" makes no sense given what's being said. How can you interpret this passage any other way?

I don't think you can, so you're just resorting to cherry picking dictionaries.
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#32OrangeWizardPosted 7/17/2013 2:49:36 PM
Faust_8 posted...
Yes, and "to kill" or "killing" isn't necessarily bad either (to kill a virus, killing time). That doesn't stop the word from regarded as bad except in very specific situations. Ask a person on the street if killing is bad and they say "in the usual sense, no."


I like how you can no longer deny that Jealousy does not only have negative connotations but you're still trying to figure out a way around it.
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#33Faust_8Posted 7/17/2013 4:08:34 PM
There's a difference between what a dictionary says and the common vernacular.

In the common vernacular, jealousy is always bad. It's only according to some dictionaries that 20% of the time, it maybe isn't quite necessarily all that bad. But that doesn't mean we ever use it that way though. Think back to how long we were using "gay" as homosexual slang before the dictionaries caught up.

That's been your main issue, I was just pointing how going about it by the dictionary definition angle isn't even good since they contradict you with most of their definitions anyway, or don't have any positive meanings listed at all. All you've been proving is the most common usage isn't supporting your case.

Now, quit ignoring the rest of my post. Find me a instance or even create an instance where jealousy is positive. Then explain how the context of the Bible verse makes more sense with it being a positive thing.

Without that you're just grasping at unlikely possibilities with mad hope.
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#34kozlo100Posted 7/17/2013 4:21:48 PM
What do you think the common vernacular of the word was in the early 1600's when the KJV was written? Or in the 7th century BC when the line itself was written?

There's more to it than just the way we use the word today.
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#35kozlo100Posted 7/17/2013 4:27:53 PM
Also:
Patrick Henry, Founding Father of "Give me liberty or give me death" fame
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.


I think the notion of God protecting his followers with the kind of zeal the above quote and that one definition reference is a very positive notion.
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#36IndoriPosted 7/17/2013 7:57:54 PM
Faust_8 posted...
Think back to how long we were using "gay" as homosexual slang before the dictionaries caught up.

I think your chosen example is especially interesting given the length of time the word existed with absolutely no connection to homosexuality.
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#37kts123Posted 7/18/2013 7:18:06 AM(edited)
Well, I think your girlfriend would probably be steamed if you blew her off because you'd rather go watch porn. I mean, you'd be pretty bone headed, if upon her expressing her frustrations, to counter: "Hey! It was just hentia, why would you be jealous of women who don't even exist?"

Basically, God wants a relationship with us. And as in any relationship, blowing off a person who loves you is hurtful to them. Now, that doesn't mean God doesn't want us to have free time, just like your parents don't mind you taking a trip to the beach. But when you never call, and skip out on Thanksgiving and Christmas without even letting them know, because you'd rather go skiing or something -- well, now you're going to cause hurt feelings. Even if you don't "owe" it to your parents, it's still hurtful to them. God is "Jealous" because He loves you, but you'd rather go watch proverbial hentia.
#38the_hedonistPosted 7/19/2013 2:17:23 PM
Emotions are morally neutral. To determine whether an emotion is moral or immoral, one has to consider several things: the origin, cause, direction, and consequences of said emotion. Jealousy is not different.
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#39inferiorweaselPosted 7/21/2013 1:16:07 PM
OrangeWizard posted...
Is Jealousy always bad?


Yes it is actually.
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#40OrangeWizardPosted 7/21/2013 1:18:50 PM
inferiorweasel posted...
OrangeWizard posted...
Is Jealousy always bad?


Yes it is actually.


Can you prove that? Because we already have links to dictionary definitions that say otherwise.
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