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American Christianity makes it hard for me to be a practicing christian (WoT)

#21Thewinner14Posted 7/29/2013 8:41:50 PM
Chicken Inspector posted...
I'm a lutheran, and I live in the midwest (iowa to be exact)

Anyways, I've been drifting between churches for a few years after my main church just got to frustrating for me to go to (personality clash with my pastor, large winded sermons full of big academic words that were hard to follow, let alone understand, and annoyances with how services were run and all that)

So I've been attending other churches, from Lutheran churches to non-denominational ones for the last year or so (the last one I was at was a congregational church) and they have all been less than positive experiences for me. They all seem to be (or drifting in this direction) of touchy feely, feel-good, campy worship and going with this personal savior shtick. Very born-again, evangelical in nature. Yah know, when people in the pews get up and start waving their hands in the hair in an overly pasionate manner, wiggling their fingers, with an occasionaly cat call such as AH-MEN)

Services had very campy, contemporary songs which were all fluff and no substance. No traditional hymns that I remember from my past experiences. No organs, no hymns by martin luther..hell...anything written pre-1980 was non existant.

I even TRIED to be a camp counselor at a church camp a few summers ago, but it was the same thing. Contemporary christian worship with lots of touching, letting out ones feelings, and people acting giddy like they were on drugs. Made me feel very uncomfortable..almost like it was a nut cult rather than a 2000+ year old religion.

It seems this form of contemporary worship is becoming the norm around here and it is making it very hard for me to relate. It's repelling me away. I see footage online, on tv, and in media of monks in Tibebt or muslims in the middle east in very deep reflective prayer, very traditional in their ways, and I admire that (though I am not talking about conversion)

I also had a pretty unmemorable religious education, so I have tried to educate myself on Lutheranism. I agree with everything I've researched thus far, though I will admit I don't know as much as I would like. Im not looking for conversion, I'm just looking for a traditional church that preaches love, Jesus, God, hope, kindness, etc...
not politics
not hate disguised as morals
no touchy feeling services that make little reference to Jesus and are as superficial as prime time MTV

hell, Talking about Jesus, even hearing the name has become so polluted in my mind as a cliche and a representation of nerdy, stereotypical "Family Values" it makes me sick and embarrassed.

Sometimes I feel lost...one who wants to open my mind up with intellengent deep thoughts and discussions amongst a crowd of people who just want to hold me and have YAY JESUS YOUR MINE be the deepest thought they have.

my thoughts are everywhere right now, and it's hard to just get them all in a coherrant, orderly fashion

Hope yall can help, or give me some words of advice...or just post :P

TL;DR
my feelings are thus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdZbfUWUGJY


Well you don't have to worry about politics with JWs, The meetings are pretty thought provoking too, lots of reflection and meditation on scriptures and experiences of others. If nothing else you'll get great discussion from any JW.
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#22Chicken Inspector(Topic Creator)Posted 7/29/2013 8:42:32 PM
i really have no interest in converting to jehovahs wintness-ism... so I would appreciate you to stop
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#23OrangeWizardPosted 7/29/2013 8:58:54 PM(edited)
Do you disagree with some of our beliefs? Which ones?

You say you have no interest in JWs, but

A) you seem to not know what we believe, and
B) You seem to be searching for answers.

What is making you disregard what we have to say before we even say it?

It seems strange that someone searching for answers would turn away help.

"I'm looking for help! But not from you"

What are you actually looking for?
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#24AynRandySavagePosted 7/29/2013 9:31:34 PM(edited)
The JWs believe that including images like these in their pamphlets is a good way to recruit people:

http://i.imgur.com/DzNTfki.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CU3kR9G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zDOVZTQ.jpg

You bash other people's beliefs all the time, but I've never seen you defend the actual JW practices OW.

What do you think of blood transfusions? Karate being Satanic? The 1914 prophecy?
#25OrangeWizardPosted 7/29/2013 10:17:49 PM(edited)
What do you think of blood transfusions?


The same thing that all the other JWs think about blood transfusions.

Karate being Satanic?


I'd need you to quote where we think that, to be able to tell you what I think about that, because I do not believe that we even teach that.

The 1914 prophecy?


It partially came true.

We knew Jesus would be coming back then, but we didn't know exactly when that would happen. Jesus did return, not to the earth, but as a king in heaven.

And to quell any further questions about prophecy: We never claimed to be prophets, so calling us out on being wrong about something doesn't really do anything.
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#26MasterSplinterWPosted 7/30/2013 1:04:37 AM
yeah, the Catholicism in Mexico, the merging of Vatican and Aztec/Mayan (or whoever) beliefs is a lot better. /snickering
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#27actarusPosted 7/30/2013 2:50:14 AM
Chicken Inspector posted...
I'm a lutheran, and I live in the midwest (iowa to be exact)

Anyways, I've been drifting between churches for a few years after my main church just got to frustrating for me to go to (personality clash with my pastor, large winded sermons full of big academic words that were hard to follow, let alone understand, and annoyances with how services were run and all that)


What are the big academic words? Redemption, Justification, Grace, Messiah, repent, Laodiceans, Gospel, Covenant, the five Solas?
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#28Chaos ScadePosted 7/30/2013 4:25:14 AM
Where in Iowa do you live? I have a good friend in Des Moines who goes between a Greek Orthodox parish and a Western-rite ROCOR parish; he came to visit me and his godfather in Missouri when we were roadtripping through the United States.
#29AynRandySavagePosted 7/30/2013 7:05:38 AM
OrangeWizard posted...

The same thing that all the other JWs think about blood transfusions.


Why?



I'd need you to quote where we think that, to be able to tell you what I think about that, because I do not believe that we even teach that.


A brother would be disqualified as an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer if he took up the study of such martial arts and practiced them . A person publicly advocating such could be dealt with in line with 2 Thessalonians 3 :13-15 . As in the case of a person who takes up professional boxing and continues in such a course, he would be expelled from the congregation . (w81 7/1 pp. 30-1)"

The 1914 prophecy?


It partially came true.

We knew Jesus would be coming back then, but we didn't know exactly when that would happen. Jesus did return, not to the earth, but as a king in heaven.

And to quell any further questions about prophecy: We never claimed to be prophets, so calling us out on being wrong about something doesn't really do anything.


You're saying that JWs, and nobody else, knew that Jesus was going to come back in 1914 and then say that you're not prophets?
#30Thewinner14Posted 7/30/2013 7:37:40 AM
The karate/martial arts/boxing is because they're inherently violent activities.
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