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Iran government cant seem to figure out how to stop muslim converts to christ.

#61Wandering__HeroPosted 9/19/2013 3:11:48 PM
Fingerpuppet posted...
Faust, buddy, put PC on your ignore list. Here's a PM from a year ago:

RE: ACCEPT MY REQUEST. I WANT TO TALK WITH YOU
DO not ignore me, my friend. There is a good and logical reason for my rediculous posting style. :D

Sent by: Polish_Crusader on 9/21/2012 12:33:46 AM
This message was first read on 9/21/2012 12:42:00 AM



RE: ACCEPT MY REQUEST. I WANT TO TALK WITH YOU
Cuz thats how i get peoples attention. I hook em with the rediculous then i spit my mad intelligence on em and its like WOAH!

Sent by: Polish_Crusader on 9/21/2012 10:47:00 AM
This message was first read on 9/21/2012 2:41:36 PM




You're better than that.


Polish, lay of the "rediculous" posting style, it just makes you look like a buffoon.

Your mad intelligence doesn't seem that great either, though I can't tell what part is your supposed stupid act and which part is you. Drop your "rediculous" style and just hit the board with your intelligence, you won't win converts by being this boards clown, unless your goal is to attention whore rather than glorify Christ, which would explain why you were the only Christian who liked LMS.
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#62Reinbach_IIIPosted 9/19/2013 4:21:06 PM
Polish_Crusader posted...
Tell me a "neutral third party" that keeps track of this data. If there is none, then...

If there is none, then you don't really have a credible source at all and that's your problem, not mine.


If there is none, then the websites i gave are the best sources

Actually that would still leave Wikipedia as your best source as they usually try to remain neutral in their articles, sourcing information from both sides, rather than accepting one side's stuff and rejecting the other's.


2.)Why would christians lie about other christians in a country that is 99% muslim. There is no political or spiritual motivations involved.

Well in that case, we can just ask the Iranian government and take their word for it then.
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#63kozlo100Posted 9/19/2013 4:42:45 PM
While we're talking to Polish:

Polish_Crusader posted...
Ok, i am glad for all the answers. This proves what i previously thought.

Soon i will make a topic about definitively finding God. I am serious. I am researching right now how each and every one of you can see a miracle in your life based upon your own prayer. I dont mean something vague. I mean like you ask for it and it happens. But it can only happen on faith, that is the hard part that many non believers cannot get around. God only answers your plea when you have faith.

Give me 3 weeks. I will tie up all the loose ends and i will deliver you guys the information that you need. My hope is that you wont need to come on message boards or ask online questions, if there is something about god you want to know that you can ask yourself in prayer or find out yourself in the bible and you wil know.


How's that coming along? You did promise us a topic, and it's been nearly three months now.
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#64Polish_Crusader(Topic Creator)Posted 9/19/2013 5:10:08 PM
kozlo100 posted...
While we're talking to Polish:

Polish_Crusader posted...
Ok, i am glad for all the answers. This proves what i previously thought.

Soon i will make a topic about definitively finding God. I am serious. I am researching right now how each and every one of you can see a miracle in your life based upon your own prayer. I dont mean something vague. I mean like you ask for it and it happens. But it can only happen on faith, that is the hard part that many non believers cannot get around. God only answers your plea when you have faith.

Give me 3 weeks. I will tie up all the loose ends and i will deliver you guys the information that you need. My hope is that you wont need to come on message boards or ask online questions, if there is something about god you want to know that you can ask yourself in prayer or find out yourself in the bible and you wil know.


How's that coming along? You did promise us a topic, and it's been nearly three months now.


Im glad you are holding me to this. It keeps me disciplined. I grossly underestimated the time it takes and grossly over estimated my own efforts.

Since i made that post i have gone through a half hellish roller coaster of events in life- apartment problems, job problems, girl problems, more health problems. So excuse me if I am not perfect. I will do my best to get it on here by the end of the year.

It is encouraging that yall keep bringing this up. It means that you want God. I am only a middle man. I can show you how to ask for a miracle in a way that pleases God. But i cannot give the miracle to you. I am a weak meager man. My faith has been changing in the past few months as well. I am finally released of my addiction to porn as of about a month ago. Havent even thought of a porn site or going to one since (thank the lord). Porn is very damaging to the mind, but thats a whole different topic. I started up my BSF bible study again. I contacted many pastors i know about the presentation on miracles and only 1 responded. I will have more time in the next two weeks to get back to it again.

All i can say is, i am trying. I am not superman. I am not a prophet.
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#65kozlo100Posted 9/20/2013 12:30:49 AM
Well, I was interested in what it might take three weeks to say, and I'm even more interested in what takes half a year to compose.
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#66CthulhuPosted 9/29/2013 8:48:20 AM
Polish_Crusader posted...
Nobody can stop the almighty power of Jesus. They tried massive waves of arrests. They tried demolishing churches. It is still not working.


They should try some chariots made of iron
#67JonWood007Posted 9/29/2013 9:07:26 AM
Ok, I haven't been paying close attention to this topic, but CIA world factbook is a relatively reliable source. I used it in my political science classes frequently. While you could argue that maybe it has a US bias at times, being written by a government agency, it's not really a bad source at all, seeing how much of its information is not necessarily strictly political in nature. The state department also has its own public profiles of different countries if I recall, which can be useful.

It doesn't say anything about religion though from what I see.

The thing about wikipedia, since that was mentioned too. Wikipedia isn't the best source, but it's good to get a base line on a subject. While anyone can edit it, and this makes it unsuitable for academic papers, I posting it on this board is not really a major problem IMO. It's good enough for our own sakes I think.

State department only mentions religion in a fleeting manner on Iran. It mentions while they have freedom in a theoretical sense, Christians are often repressed over there.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1142.html#country
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#68CoyoteTheGreatPosted 9/29/2013 3:30:52 PM
Chaos Scade posted...
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
Pwned, you admit it was Constantine and not Jesus that you have to thank for your religion's power and prestige. I think if anything, you fell into BSballa's trap hard.


why is it mutually exclusive?

i mean, sometimes I really have to wonder at the eschatological awe that the Christians must have felt after centuries of marginalisation and intermittent persecution (particularly the persecution immediately preceding Constantine's accession to the unified Roman throne), when the emperor of what was basically the entire known world (and a pagan empire, to boot) rides into Rome, victorious in battle, and declares that there is only one God, and that it is the God of Israel.

nobody acts as if Christianity's "power and prestige" started immediately after Jesus, but that's part of the irony - that a crucified Jew from a backwater little town in judea province was being worshiped as God by the Roman Emperor just less than three centuries later.


Irony isn't a good foundation for a supposed religious truth though. Its very ironic that after mere centuries of oppression, Christians plunged the pagans, Jews, Muslims and everyone else into almost two millenium of oppression themselves (Your friend Putin and his Orthodox church making sure to bring oppression into the modern day even), but it isn't a compelling case for the religion so much as against it. Mohammed's life story, compared to Jesus', was incredibly successful, perhaps more so than any other prophet to date.

In ten years, Mohammed went from being no one to having his religion controlling half of the Middle East. There is a stronger case for divine influence there than being no one, dying no one, having followers who were no one, until a Roman emperor picked up the religion on a whim and decided to make it law. If I had to make a bet between Christianity or Islam being the one true religion, I'd pick Islam any day of the week.
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#69OrangeWizardPosted 9/29/2013 5:43:53 PM
In ten years, Mohammed went from being no one to having his religion controlling half of the Middle East. There is a stronger case for divine influence there than being no one, dying no one, having followers who were no one, until a Roman emperor picked up the religion on a whim and decided to make it law. If I had to make a bet between Christianity or Islam being the one true religion, I'd pick Islam any day of the week.


So, the religion with the fastest start is the most likely the one true religion?
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#70CoyoteTheGreatPosted 9/29/2013 6:08:33 PM
OrangeWizard posted...
In ten years, Mohammed went from being no one to having his religion controlling half of the Middle East. There is a stronger case for divine influence there than being no one, dying no one, having followers who were no one, until a Roman emperor picked up the religion on a whim and decided to make it law. If I had to make a bet between Christianity or Islam being the one true religion, I'd pick Islam any day of the week.


So, the religion with the fastest start is the most likely the one true religion?


Not necessarily, but it is of pretty huge importance. I think there would be several criteria that would make one religion more convincing than another. A direct causal connection between the prophet of a religion and its spread is pretty important though.

A religion that spreads incidentally rather than because of the direct actions of a prophet is less convincing, as we are supposed to think of these prophets as channeling divine powers. Christians love to talk about miracles Jesus performed as some sort of proof that Jesus was channeling divine powers, but actually doing the hard work of facilitating the spreading of a religion can be used as proof of the exact same thing, and is easier to verify historically.

Other criteria are important too though. Is the religion internally consistent, for instance? Some religions also add unique criteria to them because the way they are structured too, like is the religion externally consistent with those religions that it establishes as being its predecessors? That's something Christianity has to worry about to some degree (As well as those religions that are offshoots of Christianity like Mormonism). Is the religion consistent with our understanding of history and science? You can go on and on if you were going to try to establish some somewhat objective way of establishing which religions have more divine legitimacy than others. I think the achievements of the prophet certainly rank up there in importance though.

The matter of Mohammed being so much more successful than Jesus though is kind of a special case though as well, in comparisons with the two religions, as it looks kind of silly looking at both of them to see the prophet that is supposed to also be one and the same with the god of the religion do worse than the prophet who is merely a prophet. If Jesus really was a god, then there is no way some mere mortal like Mohammed could have bested him, but he did.

It should be said though, that the Jewish people are exempt from this criteria, because their religion places no importance on conversion to begin with, unlike Islam or Christianity. I imagine though that Moses was probably quite successful compared to Jesus too though.
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