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Why did God created Lucifer?

#1181stCommanderPosted 9/15/2013 11:40:52 PM
God is all knowing and I don't doubt that, but why did he created Lucifer if he knew he was going to turn evil?
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#2freakzilla316ftPosted 9/16/2013 1:26:28 AM
If there is only good and no evil then it's pretty easy to follow good and what would the point of heaven be?
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#3darkmaian23Posted 9/16/2013 2:57:35 AM
I think there is some evidence in the Old Testament that God isn't all knowing. For example, he sends angels to Lot to find out if things are as bad there as he has heard. He wouldn't need to do that if he already knew what they would find there. Another example is the testing of Job.
#4Wandering__HeroPosted 9/16/2013 5:14:13 AM
To test mankind and let them try to find what is good.
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#5Polish_CrusaderPosted 9/16/2013 6:36:15 AM
He created Lucifer as the most beautiful angel to serve his will, just like all the other angels.

The real question- why did lucifer rebel?
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#6Faust_8Posted 9/16/2013 8:08:53 AM
freakzilla316ft posted...
If there is only good and no evil then it's pretty easy to follow good and what would the point of heaven be?


That seems like a retroactive justification to me.

As in, that only makes sense if he wants there to be heaven, earth, and hell, but doesn't want to just create them himself so he has to make Lucifer and use him to justify the existence of hell. Or something like that.

Basically that argument is just "well this is the current state of affairs, so the past had to happen to make this current state of affairs" which doesn't actually address the question.
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#7JonWood007Posted 9/16/2013 8:56:22 AM
Lucifer rebelled due to free will, blah blah blah.

Although God, being omniscient, should have known this before hand; if he did not, he's not omniscient.

However, if God did know, can we really say Lucifer had free will? And why would God create him knowing how bad he would screw up?

Doesn't make much sense.
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#8OrangeWizardPosted 9/16/2013 9:07:48 AM
Because there are multiple definitions of the word "omniscient".

Certain definitions create problems that other definitions don't have.
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#9Wandering__HeroPosted 9/16/2013 9:20:38 AM
JonWood007 posted...
Lucifer rebelled due to free will, blah blah blah.

Although God, being omniscient, should have known this before hand; if he did not, he's not omniscient.

However, if God did know, can we really say Lucifer had free will? And why would God create him knowing how bad he would screw up?

Doesn't make much sense.


Or you know, God can see something like that and adapt
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#10hunter_gohanPosted 9/16/2013 9:50:12 AM
Polish_Crusader posted...
The real question- why did lucifer rebel?


Because that's what righteous men do when faced with a tyrannical dictator. In the Bible, who has the larger death count? Who divvied up slaves after their army slaughtered children? Who claims to have wiped out nearly the entire world? Who ordered or committed genocide on multiple occasions? Now ask yourself why it is you think Luci is evil. Would you have taken Stalin's word that someone rebelling against him was pure evil while he's nothing but the Gardener of Human Happiness?
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