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The term "deconversion"

#1Hustle KongPosted 3/18/2014 9:21:27 AM
There's something about the term that kind of bugs me, and it's hard to put into words.

Maybe it would make more sense if I tell how I think it is used appropriately.

If I convert to a religion, and then leave it, that would be to me the correct use of "deconvert".

If I was raised in a religion or system of thought, and abandoned it, it seems to me like the already extant word "apostasy" fits much better. It doesn't refer to a formal conversion that may have never happened.

It also seems like an unsubtle attempt to color their new position as somehow a "default" position. I may be off on that, but that's my gut talking.

This also might be my preference for "real" words over neologisms when there isn't a real use for it (cf. "herstory").
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#2ThuggernautzPosted 3/18/2014 9:38:57 AM
Mmm, I don't know. I consider being raised in that environment as converting. No-one is born versed in religious dogma.
#3OrangeWizardPosted 3/18/2014 9:40:58 AM
No-one is born versed in religious dogma.


Becoming "versed" in something equals a conversion?
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#4Hustle Kong(Topic Creator)Posted 3/18/2014 9:41:40 AM(edited)
Thuggernautz posted...
Mmm, I don't know. I consider being raised in that environment as converting. No-one is born versed in religious dogma.


No, but people don't typically apostatize for the formless void of infancy, either.
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#5kozlo100Posted 3/18/2014 9:47:03 AM
Yea, I'm more with HK on this one. I didn't convert to Catholicism, I was just raised Catholic. That was more or less my start state as a thinking human, despite the fact that I necessarily wasn't Catholic as an infant.

I mean, I gained my early Catholicism the same way I gained my ability to tie my shoes and do arithmetic, but you wouldn't say I converted to shoe tying and mathematical culture.

Also, just in sort of a precision of language way, it does kind of irk me when people use 'decovert' as a synonym for 'convert away from'. I think apostasy is fine, or simply 'fell away' or some such, for the process of no longer holding a belief system.
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#6PhoroPosted 3/18/2014 9:47:22 AM
OrangeWizard posted...
No-one is born versed in religious dogma.


Becoming "versed" in something equals a conversion?


He didn't say "something". He said "religious dogma".
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#7kozlo100Posted 3/18/2014 9:51:32 AM
OrangeWizard posted...
Becoming "versed" in something equals a conversion?


That made me wonder if the two terms didn't contain the same origin and root words. 'Verse' and 'vert' being pretty similar. Turns out they don't. Totally different origins, but I thought it was neat.
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#8Moorish_IdolPosted 3/18/2014 11:16:13 AM
If an atheist had been raised Christian, could we say that person converted to atheism?
#9Hustle Kong(Topic Creator)Posted 3/18/2014 11:20:19 AM
Eh. I'm not happy about that because one doesn't really convert to "theism", either. One could adopt a specific philosophy, and if still be wary about "convert" in that usage.

So if a Christian apostatizes and becomes a reductionist materialist, I wouldn't necessarily say they convert to it.
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#10Moorish_IdolPosted 3/18/2014 11:41:13 AM
I see what you mean.

Personally I get "apostate" and "apostle" mixed up. It's easier for me to picture a "deconversion".