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Discuss the Balance, Day 126: The Special Delivery Set

#1BakedStuffEtcPosted 5/24/2012 10:57:23 AM
Overpowered
The Wrangler
G.R.U.
The Enforcer
Tomislav
The Pomson 6000
The Spy-cicle

Overbalanced
The Atomizer
The Equalizer
The Bushwacka
The Southern Hospitality
The Sticky Launcher
The Minigun

Balanced
Huntsman
Gunslinger
The Sydney Sleeper
Sandvich
Dead Ringer
The Scottish Resistance
The Splendid Screen
Cow Mangler 5000
The Kritzkrieg
The Soda Popper
The Ambassador
The Half-Zatoichi (Demo)
The Machina
Conscientious Objector/Frying Pan (Demoman/Sniper/Medic)
The Blutsauger
The Homewrecker
Your Eternal Reward
The Family Business
The Original
The Bazaar Bargain
The Buff Banner
The Candy Cane
The Degreaser
The Direct Hit
The Powerjack
Axtinguisher
The Overdose
The Fists of Steel
The Widowmaker
The Sandman
The Flare Gun
The Eureka Effect
The Holiday Punch
The Wrap Assassin
The Back Scratcher
Buffalo Steak Sandvich
The Sticky Jumper
The Pain Train (both classes)
The K.G.B.
Shahanshah
Vita-Saw
Solemn Vow
The Amputator
The Tribalman's Shiv
The Holy Mackerel
Disciplinary Action
The Eyelander
Bonk! Atomic Punch
The Kukri
The Bottle
The Scattergun
The Rocket Launcher
The Pistol (both classes)
The Shotgun (Soldier/Pyro/Engineer)
Disguise Kit
Invisibility Watch
The Sapper
Syringe Gun
The Medigun
The Revolver
Knife
Sniper Rifle
The Grenade Launcher
PDA+Buildings
Mad Milk
The Gunboats
Market Gardener
Loch-N-Load
The Ullapool Caber
The Ubersaw
The Bonesaw
Jarate

Underbalanced
Reserve Shooter (Pyro)
The Liberty Launcher
Frontier Justice
The Manmelter
The Short Circuit
The Diamondback
The Boston Basher
Ali Baba's Wee Booties
The Persian Persuader
L'Etranger
The Battalion's Backup
The Shotgun (Heavy)
Family Business
The Flamethrower
The Brass Beast
The Black Box
Righteous Bison
The Backburner
The Powerjack
Jag

Underpowered
Reserve Shooter (Soldier)
The Quick-Fix
Force-a-Nature
Sun-On-A-Stick
The Cloak and Dagger
The Half-Zatoichi (Soldier)
The Shortstop
Conscientious Objector/Frying Pan (Scout/Soldier/Pyro/Heavy)
Natascha
The Crusader's Crossbow
The Detonator
The Big Earner
The Winger
Darwin's Danger Shield
Crit-a-Cola
The Third Degree
Sharpened Volcano Fragment
The Razorback
The Rocket Jumper
The Scotsman's Skullcutter
The Claidheamh Mor
The Fan O'War
Mantreads
The Warrior's Spirit
Eviction Notice
The Concheror
Conniver's Kunai
Dalokohs Bar
The Chargin' Targe
The Cozy Camper
The Bat
The Shovel
The Fire Axe
Fists

Someone suggested we do the Polycount sets (with effects) too. Is good idea.

For this one I'm gonna say it's underbalanced. Before the nerf it was balanced, but now that the Shortstop sucks the only saving grace to the set is the 150 HP and Mad Milk I guess. As a whole, it's bad at everything but survivability and team support.
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#2CaioNVPosted 5/24/2012 11:29:33 AM
Balanced. I personally use the Shortstop very well, the only downside is the Holy Mackerel not beign very useful.
#3RyusutaPosted 5/24/2012 1:04:44 PM
Balanced. Good bonus balanced by a horrible primary a good secondary and a downgrade to the stock bat.
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#4InfernoCrossingPosted 5/24/2012 1:09:53 PM
Overbalanced

I used the set with hilariously fun results. Other Scouts were melted. Soldiers were melted. Medics were melted. I melted anything that wasn't a Heavy with the set. I also can't count all the times the bonus HP has saved me.

Only real downside is the lack of a decent close-range game and the lack of a decent melee (although my fishy is fun).
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#5KongNinjaPosted 5/24/2012 1:34:42 PM
InfernoCrossing posted...
Overbalanced

I used the set with hilariously fun results. Other Scouts were melted. Soldiers were melted. Medics were melted. I melted anything that wasn't a Heavy with the set. I also can't count all the times the bonus HP has saved me.

Only real downside is the lack of a decent close-range game and the lack of a decent melee (although my fishy is fun).


Spot on. The only reason my fish is still in my backpack is for dicking around. There's nothing more satisfying than seeing FISH KILL! in the feed, despite it being truly awful. Maybe if it launched fishcakes Sandman-style...
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#6effeffjayPosted 5/24/2012 2:21:57 PM
Balanced.
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#7NeoSamus12Posted 5/24/2012 2:30:23 PM
Overbalanced.

I still maintain that Shortstop is a decent weapon, particularly at mid-range where the SS does significant damage and the Scout has the ability to stay at that range. Mad Milk is the best secondary for Shortstop, only really Bonk or CaC compares. Fish is just a reskin of the Bat, whether or not it's a slight downgrade or slight upgrade doesn't matter because no one playing seriously is going to be using Scout melee. Oh, and +25 HP on the class that's meant to be fragile.

Before the shortstop nerf, no question it was overpowered. Fast firing/high damage primary, amazing (potentially OP) secondary that synchronized well with the primary, and reskin melee, and +25 HP on top of that? The Shortstop nerf is the only reason the Set can be even close to considered balanced, and I still don't think it's really balanced.
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#8Emporer_KazbarPosted 5/24/2012 2:32:47 PM
Oh hey, you took my suggestion.

Anyway, it's tough to say. I would have definitely called it overbalanced back before the Shortstop nerf, but now...eh, I think I'll go with balanced.
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#9OldmangPosted 5/24/2012 2:58:05 PM
Underbalanced. It makes you use the Shortstop, which reloads at a snail's pace, and the Mackerel instead of the Atomizer, Sandman, etc. That's not worth a little extra health. Heck, I'll gladly sacrifice max health to use the Sandman.
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#10RyusutaPosted 5/24/2012 11:45:04 PM
NeoSamus12 posted...
Before the shortstop nerf, no question it was overpowered.


I SEVERELY question it. I never saw SS Scouts totally dominating servers or players.
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