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Ecclesiastes273
Posted 5/8/2012 6:03:06 AM
sawplo posted...
Or you could stop going 100% in every game if you're that incapable of making decisions as to what's worth your time.


The fact that you have the arrogance to claim anyone and everyone can play the game making the same decisions like you do, proves your lack of comprehension.


It's called basic decision-making and setting priorities. I shudder to imagine what your day-to-day is like.

All of you need to get it through your heads that a lot of people don't play games the same way.

I posted multiple walls of text in this topic saying this.

I, personally, do not want to make decisions in my games. I hate them. It takes away from the game, not knowing what you might be missing out on, yet not necessarily wanting to waste your time on this "optional" content.

I never make fun of you or the way you play your games. I don't comprehend why someone would want all that optional content. It seems ridiculous to me, but I at least comprehend that there are people who do want it, and I accept it.


Hey. The vast majority is not niche.

Yet, you and your ilk, have no desire to accept the fact that there are people who play games differently than you. You think your way is the "right" way, the "good" way, and everyone else should cater to your type of game. No matter how they like their games, your types of games should be suitable for them.

That is the problem here. None of us, who like games like FF13 ever make fun of you for wanting all that extra content. We know the game lacked it, and we understand that you wanted it. It makes sense that you didn't like the game.

But, you, all you vocal haters, will make fun of people who like the game, claiming they just don't know it is a piece of garbage; that they just enjoy playing garbage games. You claim your type of game would be good for us and you. You refuse to accept that there are people who will not like your type of game. You ever see me doing that? Not once.

You are the ones embarrassing yourselves with that type of arrogance.


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I used this topic as a soapbox defending XIII. You have to be a troll. No one can be this pathetically dense.
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peanutbutterxx
Posted 5/8/2012 6:23:13 AM
You all are wasting your time with this guy. He's already contradicted his entire argument itt. He doesn't know wtf he's talking about anymore.
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peanutbutterxx
Posted 5/8/2012 6:30:25 AM
sawplo posted...
Not sure why you think these are statements someone would attack. Only a fool would not realize ff13 left out things. Of course, this is why it got negative criticism. I personally agree with that negative criticism. The comments any rational person would disagree with is that it was wrong for them not to include these things. The people who claim that are just ignorant.
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sawplo
Posted 5/8/2012 7:50:02 AM
That statement proves my point. See, you actually think I disagree with your criticisms. I don't. Why? Because I understand your perspective. I am not ignorant enough to think everyone likes to play games the way I do. Nor am I arrogant enough to think they should. I can comprehend that you like optional content, open world, and everything else. So I can agree with your criticism.

You, however, refuse to accept that people play and enjoy games differently. You think your types of games are suitable for everyone, and that people like me should be able to play and enjoy them.

That is the whole point. You just can't accept that your way does not equate to the "right" way, or the "good" way.

My statement means that I find your criticisms to be valid and I agree with them because I view them from your perspective. It only further proves that you are unable to comprehend there are people who will not play your types of games. Their criticisms are just as legitimate as yours. But you refuse to see their perspective.
sawplo
Posted 5/8/2012 8:09:29 AM
@Ecclesiastes

Basic decision making? Without knowing what the potential outcome is? At least in basic decision making you can guess what will happen. With optional content, you could miss out on A) a powerful weapon/ability B) a miscellaneous item with some benefit or great benefit, C) a key story ingredient that makes things more understandable, D) a miscellaneous story item that is hardly necessary for plot, or any number of things...

Do you comprehend this? It is difficult to skip stuff you don't want to waste time on without knowing what you will miss out on. Now if they made all key storyline elements, powerful items/weapons/abilities part of the main quest, then it would be much easier to skip.

Whether you like FF13 or not is not the point. The fact that you call my way of playing games embarrassing is. That is just pure arrogance on your part. There is no way to put it more simply. I am not embarrassed to say I like things simple and straightforward; that I prefer hand holding over making decisions. That is just what I prefer in games.

Oh, and why don't you show me your statistical survey that shows what the vast majority is? What's that? You have none? Oh well. I guess you just like making ignorant statements.
peanutbutterxx
Posted 5/8/2012 8:40:41 AM
sawplo posted...
That statement proves my point. See, you actually think I disagree with your criticisms. I don't. Why? Because I understand your perspective. I am not ignorant enough to think everyone likes to play games the way I do. Nor am I arrogant enough to think they should. I can comprehend that you like optional content, open world, and everything else. So I can agree with your criticism.

You, however, refuse to accept that people play and enjoy games differently. You think your types of games are suitable for everyone, and that people like me should be able to play and enjoy them.

That is the whole point. You just can't accept that your way does not equate to the "right" way, or the "good" way.

My statement means that I find your criticisms to be valid and I agree with them because I view them from your perspective. It only further proves that you are unable to comprehend there are people who will not play your types of games. Their criticisms are just as legitimate as yours. But you refuse to see their perspective.


I, for one, never said anyone should play games the way I do or that it was the right way, troll. Why are you still here beating a dead horse on a board to a game you supposedly dislike? I find it hard to believe you enjoyed any FF other than XIII considering how you feel about open worlds and optional content. Take your fanboyism back the the FFXIII board.
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sawplo
Posted 5/8/2012 8:51:26 AM
Lol. Fanboyism? You just said I only like ff13. And yet I qualify as a fanboy? I do find ff13 to be close to the ideal FF or me.

It is definitely my favorite since IV (the original US IV, not the one where they added more optional stuff).

And again, I have not once insulted anyone. You're the ones doing that. If anyone qualifies as a troll, then it would be those that resort to insults rather than qualify their points.
sawplo
Posted 5/8/2012 9:46:10 AM
And you have implied that people like me should be able to play the type of games you like. Supposedly, all we have to do is skip the optional content. Supposedly navigating FF12 is as easy as a GPS.

Don't try to act like you haven't. I can quote you on several occasions where your "advice" is definitively attempting to alter the way I play games.

Many of you have attempted to tell me I should be able to change the way I play a game, that I should enjoy your types of games. Never once have I told you to change how you play a game so that you can enjoy it.

Get it through your heads. Your type of game only appeals to you and your type of gamer. But you are not the only ones out there. Time will tell which type of gamer companies like SE will cater to. I hope it is me, but we shall see.

That is something I think we can all agree on.
ShinGouken
Posted 5/8/2012 10:12:48 AM
Oh boo hoo, cry me a river troll.

Seriously, if you are incapable of choosing not to play a minigame then you are probably incapable of switching the channel on your TV.

The fact is, FFXII gives you the choice to play a minigame and if you don't like minigames in your RPG's then choose not to play them. If you are incapable of doing that then that speaks volumes about you.
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peanutbutterxx
Posted 5/8/2012 10:31:22 AM
And you have implied that people like me should be able to play the type of games you like.

Never suggested otherwise.

I, for one, never said anyone should play games the way I do or that it was the right way, troll.

=/=

And you have implied that people like me should be able to play the type of games you like.

excluding towns, any FF can be as linear as XIII. if you choose for it to be. i never said you had to make the same choice a me.
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