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Blizzard being sued over authenticators...

#91vahndragonwingPosted 11/12/2012 6:52:09 PM
Right_Chus_1 posted...
Just going to leave this here since i didnt see it posted yet..


http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/11/12/blizzard-responds-security-lawsuit-without-merit/


You know that the response from blizzard is in the original link, right? There's still stuff after the picture.
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#92toolittletimePosted 11/12/2012 6:52:26 PM
Right_Chus_1 posted...
Just going to leave this here since i didnt see it posted yet..


http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/11/12/blizzard-responds-security-lawsuit-without-merit/


And you expect Blizzard to have responded differently?
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#93Right_Chus_1Posted 11/12/2012 6:53:29 PM
vahndragonwing posted...
Right_Chus_1 posted...
Just going to leave this here since i didnt see it posted yet..


http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/11/12/blizzard-responds-security-lawsuit-without-merit/


You know that the response from blizzard is in the original link, right? There's still stuff after the picture.



O no. I dont really read, i just look at the pictures. Comment deleted.
#94vahndragonwingPosted 11/12/2012 6:55:26 PM
Right_Chus_1 posted...
vahndragonwing posted...
Right_Chus_1 posted...
Just going to leave this here since i didnt see it posted yet..


http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/11/12/blizzard-responds-security-lawsuit-without-merit/


You know that the response from blizzard is in the original link, right? There's still stuff after the picture.



O no. I dont really read, i just look at the pictures. Comment deleted.


No it's cool, I hadn't seen anyone bring it up either is why I asked. And then I thought it was way weird that WI posted about the response just today.
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#95HakPosted 11/13/2012 9:24:43 AM
Devil_wings00 posted...
Hak posted...
Devil_wings00 posted...
I dunno they really should include them in the box at retail locations and if you buy digitally you get one shipped to you. The minimal cost of authenticators to a company making making roughly 100-150 million a month (currently 10 million subs) could probably be made up in the space of a week for the entire production of them EVER for the rest of WoW's life span. Spending a bit of money for customer security and good will goes a long way to making people view you in a positive light. Who am I kidding though this is activision were talking about. Were lucky they even bother to provide the service at all since they don't make anything (if you can believe them).

As for the guy suing he's a clown and has no basis for his claim. A password is minimal security...Heck my bank has the same level of security online so why is blizzard expected to do more then anyone else to protect are precious game data? They aren't. Everything else isn't even worth discussing. Just sounds like a idiotic raging moron with more extra time and money then your average idiotic raging moron. It will just be tossed out.


After realising just how badly wrong the first part of your post was, I didn't see the need to read the rest. It's been widely known for a long time that the vast majority of WoW players pay less than a handful of dollars a month to play, not the 10-15 bucks you're basing your reasoning on.


Is the sub model completely different in other parts of the world or something because I would like to know how people are somehow paying less then what blizzard tells them to. Even if that's so there is something like 2+ million people playing in NA who cannot pay less then 15 a month and even at the cheapest (buying 6 months in one go) it's about 11 bucks. So splitting down the middle Blizz is making 25 million from NA alone per month. Never mind the other 8 million or so people who play with this other sub model (I'm guessing china).

It doesn't matter blizzard could easily afford to toss the bloody things out for free and it would be no hair off there a**. It's a cost that doesn't NEED to be passed onto the customer even if they aren't making anything on them. I guess it's impossible for people to comprehend a company actually doing something that would garner them good will. No matter Blizz does all it needs to do and I guess it's nice that they offer added security features to those who want them. Just saying they make more then enough that they COULD do something nice and offer this functionality for all without hurting the bottom line in the long run.


Yes, the sub model really is that different in other parts of the world. They charge what people in a particular region will pay. In the US, it's $15. In the UK, it's 8.99, regardless of dollar exchange rates. In Korea it's roughly the equivalent of about US$3.

The authenticators cost money, as does the license to use the algorithms in them. $6.50 is cutting even for a physical authenticator (possibly even taking a slight loss). To be entirely fair, the authenticator apps on mobile handsets also cost money (for the previously mentioned license), but they're given away free. We know that WoW operates at a 25% margin (ie. it makes 25% profit from all the money it generates) from Kotick's investor speeches in the past and public comments regarding how he'd like the business to run. Giving away millions of dollars in losses isn't something that any business is ever going to do if they can help it, particularly since your account security is your responsibility.
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#96silentzedPosted 11/13/2012 9:44:51 AM
Considering my friend, who has an authenticator, got his WoW account hacked, I am not surprised. (As in visually confirmed him having to log in and out with it).

He doesn't live with anyone else so that rules that out. We're just as confused as everyone else is, especially considering that short of someone logging in from his computer (either physically or remotely) there shouldn't be anyway they can.

Either way, kind of hoping they go back to the old way of logging in (i.e. authenticator required for every login).
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#97toolittletimePosted 11/13/2012 9:46:28 AM
You can set it up to require authenticator at every log in.
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#98vahndragonwingPosted 11/13/2012 9:46:44 AM
silentzed posted...
Considering my friend, who has an authenticator, got his WoW account hacked, I am not surprised. (As in visually confirmed him having to log in and out with it).

He doesn't live with anyone else so that rules that out. We're just as confused as everyone else is, especially considering that short of someone logging in from his computer (either physically or remotely) there shouldn't be anyway they can.

Either way, kind of hoping they go back to the old way of logging in (i.e. authenticator required for every login).


Oh, you mean like that setting that has been there for some time now that you can choose for it to authenticate once a week or every time?

Plus, even if you have it set to once a week, it asks for it if you try to login from anywhere but the computer you've been on. So that's not it.
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#99MorgasaurusPosted 11/13/2012 9:49:52 AM
His points are stupid. Authenticators are a (large) step above "minimal" level of security. My bank doesn't even offer such a service.

Blizzard is most likely performing "due diligence" with respect to security of information. If they use AES encryption then even if someone actually hacked into the server and retrieved information, they couldn't do anything with it until, oh, 793 trillion times longer than the universe has existed assuming they can perform one million trial decryptions per second. Last I heard the only time-saving attack on AES reduces the worst-case trial decryptions from 2^128 to 2^126 which is insignificant.

99.99% of the time "hacked" players are victims of malware. It is the player's responsibility to ensure the security of their own computer. If they are not fully confident in their anti-virus software and internet browsing habits, they can opt for an increased level of security via authenticators.
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#100toolittletimePosted 11/13/2012 9:52:17 AM
I'm sure there are inside jobs also, but Blizz would never admit to those.
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