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Guys I have this crazy idea on what do if you don't like dailies

#21Zohar_MetatronPosted 11/18/2012 9:47:43 PM
XtraT posted...

Again, the problem is that raiders are forced to do dailies to stay competitive. If you want good dailies discussions, go to the WoW forums.


Wait a second. You're saying that, in order to get the best gear in a MMO, people have to do things over and over?
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#22XtraTPosted 11/18/2012 10:16:47 PM
Wyrmwarrior5 posted...
nonsense


Now you're just playing dumb. There's a difference between clearing and doing heroic raids. Even then, rank 1 guilds are still using VP gear. Semi hardcore guilds currently doing heroics need VP gear. Casuals ban be casual and not do dailies if they don't want to that's fine. And really, making an argument for a argument that may hold in the future? C'mon.

Again, I'm not asking for easier VP gear nor am I saying casual is bad. We're asking for an alternative. A-n a-l-t-e-r-n-a-t-i-v-e. Why are you being so american? Why can't you simply understand that instead of spending 30 mins doing dailies I'd prefer spending 1 hours 30 mins doing 5 mans for rep and elder charms?
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#23BobTDonutPosted 11/18/2012 10:23:59 PM
From: XtraT | #014
Raiders don't need charms, they can just get the gear they need to drop, so no need to reroll.


Yeah, because RNG totally doesn't exist.

From: Wyrmwarrior5 | #015
and a trinket for Mistweaver Monks.


Wat. Our BiS are the trinkets from Emperor and Tsulong. Infact, for EVERY single healer, those are your BiS trinkets.

From: Wyrmwarrior5 | #016
BobTDonut posted...
This idea is silly.

You need to do at least 45 dailies a week for Elder Charms.


Which aren't a required thing to play the game. Sure, an extra chance at getting something you want is nice, but it's not required. They're a little extra bonus for the people who go through the extra effort.


It is a requirement for any raider. No its not a requirement for PvPers, but then again they have no need for Valor Points either, so dailies aren't meant for them anyway.
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#24Wyrmwarrior5(Topic Creator)Posted 11/18/2012 10:32:45 PM
Now you're just playing dumb. There's a difference between clearing and doing heroic raids. Even then, rank 1 guilds are still using VP gear. Semi hardcore guilds currently doing heroics need VP gear. Casuals ban be casual and not do dailies if they don't want to that's fine. And really, making an argument for a argument that may hold in the future? C'mon.

The point is that VP gear is not a requirement. Yes, many guilds/people use VP gear, but I don't think people are really punished for not having that VP gear. It's nice to have, yes, but people can still progress through content without it. It's more of a bonus to the people willing to make the effort than it is something that is absolutely required for you to do if you want to play the game. You won't suddenly get kicked from your build or not be able to down [insert boss] because you're missing a few items you could get via VP.

Again, I'm not asking for easier VP gear nor am I saying casual is bad. We're asking for an alternative. A-n a-l-t-e-r-n-a-t-i-v-e. Why are you being so american? Why can't you simply understand that instead of spending 30 mins doing dailies I'd prefer spending 1 hours 30 mins doing 5 mans for rep and elder charms?

I've already agreed that having an alternative to dailies would be nice. I'm not arguing against that. I would much rather there be able to just run dungeons than do dailies each day if I want VP gear. I don't have any issue with people wanting to be able to do something else for their rep. My issue comes from people just whining non-stop about how terrible they are, and implying they are downright forced to do them if they want to continue to play the game.
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#25Wyrmwarrior5(Topic Creator)Posted 11/18/2012 10:36:15 PM
Wat. Our BiS are the trinkets from Emperor and Tsulong. Infact, for EVERY single healer, those are your BiS trinkets.

Err, whoops. Windwalker Monks have a BiS trinket from VP, not Mistweaver. I always get the two of those mixed up.

It is a requirement for any raider. No its not a requirement for PvPers, but then again they have no need for Valor Points either, so dailies aren't meant for them anyway.

The thing is, you can still get gear without them. While it's definitely nicer to have extra rolls for something that you want, that extra roll is a bonus more than a required thing.
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#26silentzedPosted 11/18/2012 10:46:32 PM(edited)
Wyrmwarrior5 posted...
You could ~le gasp~

... just not do dailies. This is shocking, I know, but please try to remain calm.

- You get better gear from raids anyway.
- Come 5.1 you can use your VP to upgrade your gear.
- Seriously guys I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept. If you don't like PvP, you don't PvP. If you don't like raiding, you don't raid. If you don't like dailies, don't do dailies. It's that simple.


I know we always have the options, but you have to think about it like this as well.

You get better gear from raids. - This is true of hardmodes, Sha, Galleon and HoF normal and above. But your gear has to drop first...and you have to win it second. If those two things don't happen, the only other options you have are to PvP/LFR to fill in the gaps or do dailies to grind both VP and rep. to be able to purchase your necessary upgrades.

A lot of people will need to do these things for at least a few items if they are lucky...or almost all of their slots if they are unlucky. If you are wanting to contribute to your guild as much as you can, these are your only options and would be the difference between a good raider and a bad raider =/

Come 5.1 you can use your VP to upgrade your gear. - This is pretty valid, but you have to consider how we get VP in the first place. If you do nothing but dungeons taking advantage of your 80VP bonus for first wins, it's still going to take around 9 hours or so (I did the breakdown in a previous thread) if you are lucky to get all of your VP just from that.

You can always do LFR for a chunk of it. Raiding itself doesn't grant as much VP as I would like, which is unfortunate. Scenarios are a fairly fast way as well, but the long and short of it is: If you want VP, you have to invest time.

For a lot of people, some of the fastest ways to grind VP are doing a combo of dailies and dungeons. You could do all of one or the other, but that is remarkably boring, so changing it up/splitting it up is recommend to avoid burnout.

TL;DR = If you're a casual that doesn't raid seriously, dailies should definitely be considered optional. If you complain about dailies when your guild doesn't really raid, you don't have anyone to blame.

For those of us who would be considered mid-range, dailies are kind of required if we want to hedge your bets so to speak, and ensure we get geared as fast as possible. It's a significant time investment reminiscent of BC, which is somewhat backward to the precedent they set in WotLK and continued in Cata.

That's where a lot of the beef I believe comes from. The precedent they set for not one, but two expansions.

EDIT: About the elder charms thing. This goes back to the first point. It is of course, a bonus, and one that was not available to us previously.

However, back to the hedging bets thing, it's all about potential. If Blizzard gives me an option to improve myself, I am going to take it because I want to work as much as possible to ensure I am playing at an optimal level relevant to something I can control (VP grind, Rep grind, charm grind, LFR grind, Heroic Grind for possible epics, getting exalted with reps because some of them give epics like4 Golden Lotus when you hit exalted), as opposed to something I can't (RNG of loot).

I'm still going to do it, but I will disagree with the direction they took it this xpac because it's significantly more time investment than it used to be.
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#27Lightning BoltPosted 11/18/2012 11:09:14 PM
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#28Little ZardarPosted 11/18/2012 11:19:12 PM
itt: LFR hero struggles in a losing battle against heroic mode raiders
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#29AmakusaPosted 11/18/2012 11:19:23 PM
BobTDonut posted...
This idea is silly.

You need to do at least 45 dailies a week for Elder Charms.


I'm already hard pressed to use 3 Elder Charms on things like upgrades; I use 3 at the bare minimum so I won't cap out one week. At the moment there are only two guys where I feel it's a 'must' to use a Charm, and that's Sha of Anger and Galleon. Since the chances of tagging Galleon every week is pretty small, it's more of a guaranteed 1 used per week on the Sha.

The other two I tend to use on what I feel like depending if I want to take the chance I'll win loot I didn't want, and believe me, that is probably just as bad as winning gold.
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#30Wyrmwarrior5(Topic Creator)Posted 11/18/2012 11:34:12 PM
Little Zardar posted...
itt: LFR hero struggles in a losing battle against heroic mode raiders


Who's the real loser; the person only doing what he enjoys, or the person who feels obligated to, and does, something that he hates?
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